I'd love to see something like Logo or MIT's Scratch for the iPad. As I think about introducing my kids to computers that totally makes sense. This new language from Apple seems to preclude that.
It is totally off base.
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are products and there are platforms. Products are OK to be proprietary as long as the value provided is top-notch. Sorry, but I don't see profesional designers using Gimp over Photoshop. Relying on a platform for your existence is a different story. But as a business you need alliances with other businesses, and not just in software. And everybody can pull the plug on you, that's why reputation matters and in…
lets see theres training, and consulting, theres offer the free version, and charge for a more robust paid version, theres pay for customization and don't forget ads. There are many ways to have a business model around "free software". Red Hat, Canonical, and Google are just some of the companies that have found valid business models around "free software".
Does Canonical make a profit? A business model that loses money isn't really all that valid.
And the software that makes Google their money is proprietary, unless you can show me the link to the AdWords server source.
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#123While Adobe is going to bear the brunt of this, this looks like a calculated move against Android as well. By precluding things like PhoneGap (if it turns out that it's "an intermediary translation or compatibility layer"), they're forcing developers that can only afford to write an application once to choose one platform. Right now, iPhone is the easy choice for a lot of developers, just based on market. The end res…
Yeah, but if someone writes a compiler that compiles apps natively written for the iphone into android apps, Google will allow that and Apple can do nothing to stop it. So in a way this will mostly hurt Apple.
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#124This is unsavory in the extreme. I had been writing an iPhone app in Haskell, and now I have to can it? What the fuck? Fuck you, Apple! Blowhards. Hope you guys enjoy the mass exodus of decent developers from your dumbass platform with kiddie languages.
GHC has a C backend. Just claim that you wrote that code yourself. Problem solved.
The sort of company that would restrict the original source language of applications in a developer agreement doesn't strike me as the sort of company that would laugh and applaud the linguistic cleverness necessary to justify adhering to the letter of the agreement and not the spirit.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Boycotting the Mac platform (which is pretty much free of any such absurdity) doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That's where Apple is doing things right . You should of course, shun iPhone OS devices if you feel this way. The system76 laptops are probably generic machines from Clevo, Sager or some such with a custom badge. Alienware used to do the same thing.
I wonder if Leo Laporte is going to be right about how he thinks that will Apple eventually stop making macs so that they can focus on more closed or controlled platforms like the iPod, iPhone, and now the iPad. They seem to be pretty good at making money with the closed systems. Maybe the next iBook will just be a foldable iPad with the same closed OS.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems absurd and unenforcable; I mean, applications are originally written in my head.
Since Apple completely controls the App Store and reserves the right to refuse any app for any reason (and have shown time and again they are willing to exercise that right), how could this possibly be unenforceable? It is their way or the highway. What is or isn't enforceable is entirely up to them. Note: I am in no way saying that Apple's stance on this situation is a good one or not, in face, absurd. The iPhone 3G…
Unless they start auditing source code and everyone's entire development process, there are lots of ways in which such a rule could be violated that would be completely undetectable (and some cases that would be easily detectable too).
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#127Here's where this hurts. The Adobe blog stated that you'd be able to build iPhone apps.
It wasn't until recently that some of us stopped and thought, wait.... what if Apple decides to deny all Flash built apps???
A lot of time was probably lost by developers. There's going to be a lot of crushed dreams.
Plus, instead of spending $600 on CS5, I'll probably buy a Mac Mini.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am not a free software "zealot" and don't mind some closed-ness Maybe we were not that zealot after all when we free software "zealot" said that proprietary software allow their owners to treat their users badly and that eventually, this happens to every proprietary software. Just saying. It amazes me how surprised users of proprietary software are every time they get screwed by their masters even though this has…
There are products and there are platforms. Products are OK to be proprietary as long as the value provided is top-notch. Sorry, but I don't see profesional designers using Gimp over Photoshop. Relying on a platform for your existence is a different story. But as a business you need alliances with other businesses, and not just in software. And everybody can pull the plug on you, that's why reputation matters and in…
My entire business (and livelihood) is centered on configuring and adapting free software to fit the needs of businesses. I contribute along the way because what one person needs, likely many need.
Free software is an infrastructure. I drive on it daily delivering value and getting paid.
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#129This could mean instant death for MonoTouch. What developer would choose to write an iphone/ipad app in MonoTouch with the risk of having to re-write their app if apple drops the hammer.
What developer would choose to write an iPhone/iPad app with the risk of having to re-write or trash their app if apple drops the hammer.
What developer would choose to write an iPhone/iPad app with the risk of having to re-write or trash their app if apple drops the hammer.
Your comment is emitting dangerous levels of irony.
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#130Adobe will not be happy about this, which makes me think: given how events unfolded recently in Adobe-Apple relationship and given that Photoshop is getting crappier and crappier in its OS X incarnation—has Apple some Photoshop/CS analog in the works?
http://www.apple.com/aperture/
That's a counterpart for Adobe Lightroom, not Photoshop.
Of course I can plug a wonderful http://pixelmator.com/ but as much as I love the work of fellow Lithuanians it ain't Photoshop yet :(