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Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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I think its important to note, for those who complain Tesla can't compete against pumped storage or other utility scale storage methods, that Tesla is able to have this deployed in 3 months (this is partly because Tesla can just drop racks of batteries on site and be up and running, and partly because of the regulatory environment after the Aliso Canyon natural gas storage complex leak fiasco).

Edit: This will replace the need for peaker plants first (generators of last resort, very expensive, only run a handful of hours a year), and as the cost drops, will slowly push out base load coal and natural gas (by increasing the capacity factor of solar and wind). "Batteries are the new peaker plants", as it were. [1] [2] [3]

This is what it looks like when batteries are used to offset fossil fuel generators (instead of curtailing excess wind and solar, it'll be soaked up by utility batteries such as these). Frequently, depending on renewables output, the spot of price of power can go negative. This means someone gets paid to use that power. This is where utility scale battery storage shines, as its happy to gobble up that power, being paid to do so, and can later be paid to release that power when demand is high.

Edit 2: If Tesla can book this revenue in Q3, combined with their vehicle sales push, they're going to be GAAP profitable for the quarter, which will allow them to close the Solar City acquisition. Well played.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaking_power_plant

[2] http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/dueling-charts-o...

[3] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-22/batteries-...

Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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Why do you all rely on oil? Just use batteries...

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I think it's important to note that they are not "replacing fossil-fuel electricity generation with lithium-ion batteries".

They are putting fossil-fuel supplied electricity into batteries to use at a later date.

Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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I find it weird how technological process sometimes plays out. We have been complaining for decades about how green energy is unreliable and that we need innovative storage solutions. And now batteries somehow seem to be good enough and we are like: "Hey, why don't we put a bunch of batteries in a container?" Proving ones again that economy trumps technology.

The next really big thing after green energy will be recycling. Not that it matters to our generation.

Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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Why do you all rely on oil? Just use batteries... \s I think it's important to note that they are not "replacing fossil-fuel electricity generation with lithium-ion batteries". They are putting fossil-fuel supplied electricity into batteries to use at a later date.

That's 99% true, but Southern California also has periods of time when there's too much _solar_ power and they need to take some solar systems off-line!

(See http://www.vox.com/2016/4/8/11376196/california-grid-expansi...)

This may alleviate that problem

Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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Why do you all rely on oil? Just use batteries... \s I think it's important to note that they are not "replacing fossil-fuel electricity generation with lithium-ion batteries". They are putting fossil-fuel supplied electricity into batteries to use at a later date.

Chicken meet Egg, we have to do both things does it matter in what order it is done. Oil can be stored in a tank, renewables really are playing catch up in terms of storage.

This is a great step forward for getting off oil.

Re: Tesla Wins Contract to Help Power the California Grid

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Why do you all rely on oil? Just use batteries... \s I think it's important to note that they are not "replacing fossil-fuel electricity generation with lithium-ion batteries". They are putting fossil-fuel supplied electricity into batteries to use at a later date.

The biggest need for storage is to offset the intermittency of solar and wind, and to help shift peak solar generation (typically 12-2pm) to match peak demand (typically 4-8pm). Reliable and affordable storage is a prerequisite to wide scale solar and wind generation.

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/californias-duck...

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