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My path of least resistance is to avoid talking to $minority. So the end result of this PC culture will be less inclusiveness.
correct, that is the path of least resistance. Culture change takes real effort
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My take away from this is that if something so innocuous can be considered so offensive it's much easier to avoid casual conversations with women at work entirely.
If you think it's hard to avoid being sexist to women, just imagine how hard it is to be one and have to deal with this every day for their entire life!
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Why is the onus on me to be aware of what every sub group considers offensive? Why isn't the onus on the sub group to recognize that they are a minority and that not everyone around them has to meet their standards of what is and isn't offensive?
If you want to be respectful of everyone around you, that's what it takes--awareness of what they consider offensive. If you don't care about being respectful, don't bother finding out. There may be consequences if you don't, there may not be. Me, I want to be respectful, so I start with a safe neutral ground and go on from there.
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> I'm not a woman, but I can imagine a woman being really hurt by such a joke. So we have to treat women differently than men? Sounds a bit sexist.
Wake me up when men are raped at the same rate as women and then we can talk about treating everyone the same.
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If you want to be respectful of everyone around you, that's what it takes--awareness of what they consider offensive. If you don't care about being respectful, don't bother finding out. There may be consequences if you don't, there may not be. Me, I want to be respectful, so I start with a safe neutral ground and go on from there.
But why is it a one way street? One don't they have to be respectful of me and the human inability to know everything?
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Step one: execute the manager. Are there any intermediate disciplinary steps that could occur? People make mistakes all the time, should we hang them out to dry on the first instance?
People make mistakes all time but having said that there are level of how bad things can be. Personally I feel this is the worst thing you can do to co-worker.
How about actually raping them?
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Person 4's fascist solipsism is astounding. She has transferred the "toxicity" and "unacceptability"in her own mind onto the whole team. A song was referred to but there was no actual mention of sexual assault. The song is not "completely unacceptable" as it is obviously commonly known and legally sold. It is therefore acceptable in the workplace, referred to as it actually was.
Lots of things are sold legally and commonly known, but are still not acceptable to discuss in a workplace.
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Or maybe you just want to actually cheer up that person? Not everyone follows the sociopathic line of thinking you presented.
How does telling someone to smile cheer them up? Besides, you can be cheerful but not smile.
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No more obviously unacceptable than bomb/murder jokes, both of which are pretty common.
Rape jokes are obviously unacceptable because they would violate even the flimsiest of sexual harassment policies.
In most workplaces (in my experience) people talk openly about sex and relationships, which would probably violate even these "flimsy" policies.
Sex is natural, and it's natural for people to want to talk about it. The important thing is whether you are deliberately harassing someone, whether you should reasonably know that your behaviour is abusive, and whether you stop doing it when you're told that it upsets someone. I've always worked in places where the majority of people are quite reasonable, but I realise not all workplaces are like that.
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I'm aware of lots of offensive things that don't belong at work.
How many songs do you find offensive but listen to often enough to memorize the words?