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San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Depends on which part. North-east PQ (over by Rolling Hills) homes were built in the early 70s and are still going in the low 600's. I believe west PQ (Black Mountain Rd area) homes are newer and more expensive.

we could start a PQ HN meet-up. My treehouse accomodates 4 and has a pulley system. We can haul up buckets of beer :) Note to self: uptownfunk, falkenb0t also in PQ. That's 5

Count me in too! Who knew we were so many?

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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In north county, places like Rancho Penasquitos (92129) have great schools and you can find decent single-family homes in the low $600's these days. It's about 15 minutes from the coast without traffic -- 25 mins from downtown. Nearby areas like Mira Mesa and Clairemont are cheaper but the public schools aren't as good.

$600,000 is affordable? How about smart? I don't mean to chide, but $600,000 for a cookie cutter tract-home is down right absurd. California is nuts.

It is, which is a big part of my decision to move from SD to Austin in two weeks. I make the same salary and cost of living is ~30% less.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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$600,000 is affordable? How about smart? I don't mean to chide, but $600,000 for a cookie cutter tract-home is down right absurd. California is nuts.

If you live in rural Kentucky, housing in many parts of Florida would be considered absurd. Comparing costs of living in wages against locations is apples and oranges. You can get a home with 2000sgft in Montana with 50 acres for the same price as a cookie cutter home in a subdivision in North Carolina. Housing is based on numerous economic factors including wage and comps (what other people have been willing to spen…

It doesn't scale though. I live in SD (moving to Austin) and the cost of living to income ratio is simply better elsewhere.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I grew up in San Diego before spending 20 years in the Bay Area. While I totally understand why a fresh graduate would want to head north to the bay, I think as a place to CREATE a startup, San Diego has tremendous potential. The weather is beautiful and actually beats SF. It's close to 70 year round, nice and dry, with great beaches and mountain and desert hiking. As the article notes downtown has been evolving in a…

I grew up in SD too.. employment opportunities in general outside defense and tourism is not great. Neither is the pay. As the old joke goes, they pay you in sunshine.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I grew up in San Diego before spending 20 years in the Bay Area. While I totally understand why a fresh graduate would want to head north to the bay, I think as a place to CREATE a startup, San Diego has tremendous potential. The weather is beautiful and actually beats SF. It's close to 70 year round, nice and dry, with great beaches and mountain and desert hiking. As the article notes downtown has been evolving in a…

I'm going to be the naysayer here and say that a year and a half back when I was looking for jobs I considered all options up and down the California coast. My conclusion from my search was that I will not be moving to San Diego. The salaries are far below Orange County, which are below Los Angeles, which are less than Bay Area salaries. Now, money isn't everything, but I'd say tech culture (in terms of technology, m…

>If someone wants to be a 'blub' programmer than SD is probably no worse than any other place

Weird, I always considered web devs who do little more than paste together abstractions written by other people to solve easy problems and then go talk about how awesome they are for doing it at meetups 'blub' programmers.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I'm going to be the naysayer here and say that a year and a half back when I was looking for jobs I considered all options up and down the California coast. My conclusion from my search was that I will not be moving to San Diego. The salaries are far below Orange County, which are below Los Angeles, which are less than Bay Area salaries. Now, money isn't everything, but I'd say tech culture (in terms of technology, m…

What's the point of making more if you have to pay more to rent/buy a place and to live?

As a San Diego native who relocated to the Bay about five years ago: the income difference scales up faster than the rent difference. I've put away a lot of savings on that margin.

Now if your intent is to own a home, well, that's another story altogether. I'm generally priced out of even the cheapest areas.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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If you think the place where you program determines whether or not you are a 'blub' I believe you are sorely misguided.

That was not what I meant at all. I mean if you aren't particular about the technology stack you are working with and/or hoping for a high salary, then odds are more in your favor in SD, vs. being picky.

You come off as really full of yourself for a guy who sounds like he does little more than write CRUD apps with the FotM web stack.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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It's fun to see San Diego at the top of HN. I'm finishing a PhD at UC San Diego, and I've noticed a few things. First, there is a different dynamic for biotech talent. The biotech scene in SD is strong, and people seem drawn to that. Second, in contrast to LA at least, commuting in SD is not terribly difficult. And there is a light rail (trolley) beginning construction up to the UCSD campus from downtown. Third, this…

I used to commute on the trolley from La Mesa to Downtown and it was great. But if you don't live on one of the trolley lines, SD public transit is dreadful!

I spent years between a few healthcare startups, and I feel like there is a strong scene not only for Biotech but also in Communications and Defense. Speaking somewhat from experience: I feel like the problem is that the companies in those spaces are giant, lumbering, unappealing employers for young people. It's really hard to pitch an energetic new grad on writing Java for SAIC or Qualcomm.

Biotech stands to be an exception, but despite a strong presence by a medium-large number of companies, there just didn't seem to be enough jobs.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I grew up in San Diego before spending 20 years in the Bay Area. While I totally understand why a fresh graduate would want to head north to the bay, I think as a place to CREATE a startup, San Diego has tremendous potential. The weather is beautiful and actually beats SF. It's close to 70 year round, nice and dry, with great beaches and mountain and desert hiking. As the article notes downtown has been evolving in a…

Venture capitalist Mark Suster makes an interesting case for why Los Angeles would have the greatest chance at being #2 behind Silicon Valley. This comment is not meant to dampen anyone's thunder in playing up San Diego. Instead, the intention is for others to listen to how Mark sells Los Angeles. Take notes on how he describes the successes of LA that can lead to greater things. Plagiarize his persuasive narrative s…

There's so much selling in this post I get tired just by reading it.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I'm in San Diego and have visited SF many times on business and pleasure. I used to think I would want to live in the City and retire in the Bay area. Today, I'm not so sure. It's just too crazy. Driving from my friend's studio 3rd floor walk-up near AT&T Park to Mountain View convinced me that drive is crazy. I could get anywhere in San Diego in the time it took me to make that commute. And the article didn't seem t…

> Driving from my friend's studio 3rd floor walk-up near AT&T Park to Mountain View convinced me that drive is crazy.

That's analogous to visiting Carlsbad from your place in PB. I mean, except that Carlsbad is worth visiting ;-)

The norm seems to be living and working in the city unless you're attached to a large megacorp with a fleet of shuttles, or else you end up on Caltrain.

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