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Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by sporkologist »

samstave wrote: post #117

I was down voted to hell for saying this in the past, but I'll share it again: One of my dads best friends was head of ALCOA, John Haymaker: Quote: "aluminum production produces fluoride acid - a substance so toxic that we cannot dispose of it... So we began fluoridation of the water because the only place we can store it is in your liver" And for those that toe the line with dental benefit BS: if the government was…

> we began fluoridation of the water because the only place we can store it is in your liver

"Oh, haha, my attorney is telling me to shut the f* * * up! Sorry about that slip of the tongue."

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by popmystack »

samstave wrote: post #117

I was down voted to hell for saying this in the past, but I'll share it again: One of my dads best friends was head of ALCOA, John Haymaker: Quote: "aluminum production produces fluoride acid - a substance so toxic that we cannot dispose of it... So we began fluoridation of the water because the only place we can store it is in your liver" And for those that toe the line with dental benefit BS: if the government was…

>why isn't any other medical benefit made free and literally forced upon you like fluoride is?

Not only does this not have any merit regarding whether or not we should add fluoride to our public water supplies, but the U.S. government (and many others) quite literally already does this.

We add niacin to flour. We add iodine to salt. We add vitamin D to a litany of food products.

And this quote:

>aluminum production produces fluoride acid - a substance so toxic that we cannot dispose of it... So we began fluoridation of the water because the only place we can store it is in your liver"

Is just completely rubbish. He's basically claiming that we're just walking land fills, using our livers to avoid leaving fluoride acid everywhere.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by msane »

nappy wrote: post #29
BorgHunter wrote: post #6

> Power Toothpaste does not contain Fluoride. We know many of you don't want fluoride in your toothpaste. This seems bizarre to me. People don't want fluoride in their toothpaste? Why not? Dentists seem pretty unanimous that everyone should brush twice a day with fluoride toothpaste.

I wrote a longer comment about this below, but the essential reason is: if I made fluoride a product requirement, I wouldn't have gotten to a release. It would have added a huge expense. Additionally, fluoride is much more important for children. As enamel is forming, fluoride interacts with it and strengthens it. Adults need far less (threshold dose effect) and for most people in the United States, they likely get e…

If that's the case you shouldn't misrepresent why you don't have fluoride

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by samstave »

betenoire wrote: post #140
samstave wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus christ - I am not saying it myself... I am simply stating a FUCKING QUOTE that I recall the head of ALCOA saying to my dad when I was a kid! God HNers... I in no way gave any bias in the relaying of said quote. I cant find him online, but this is his son (Jr.) with whom I used to work with when I was a teen: http://perkinswill.com/people/john-haymaker.html

"And for those that toe the line with dental benefit BS..." you _did_ say this, i'm not sure why you keep getting defensive when someone replies to your words.

Yes I did... Tell my why, irrespective of anything else, that the dental benefits of Fluoride in everything is what we should do?

I am not saying we shouldnt I just want to hear the statement for it... as I do not know. Again, I am just relaying a quote... and I personally have no idea. Also, I'm not "defensive" and I actually find calling someone defensive to be a really lame way of discussing anything.

Don't be defensive when I call you out for beating your wife. Stop resisting.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by thatcat »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #77
Drdrdrq wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazies or people who actually care about environment? Fluorinating water must be one of the least efficient ways of doing this.

If you'll coordinate an effort to get florinated products into the hands of everyone in the US who can't afford them, I'll agree with you.

The reason foridation has additional FDA requirements is because it's essentially a medicine, not a food supplement like iodine - which is an essential nutrient. So to justify the medication of entire communities at the exact same dose of a non-essential pharmacological product in an effort to ensure poor people receive enough flouride seems misguided. Calcium has a similar hardening effect on teeth and is present in water already - forming the scale you see in the shower Ca(CO3). Additionally, flouride stains your teeth [0].

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by msane »

justinlardinois wrote: post #121
nappy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a longer comment about this below, but the essential reason is: if I made fluoride a product requirement, I wouldn't have gotten to a release. It would have added a huge expense. Additionally, fluoride is much more important for children. As enamel is forming, fluoride interacts with it and strengthens it. Adults need far less (threshold dose effect) and for most people in the United States, they likely get e…

That's clever of you to spin the lack of fluoride as a benefit. It'll satisfy people who are paranoid about fluoride, and people who aren't probably don't care.

Yay marketing! I feel inspired to remove expensive healthy ingredients from other products.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by generic_user »

generic_user wrote: post #107
dxbydt wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't. I always buy the non fluorinated toothpaste from Trader Joe's. Considering it is sold out 50% of the time, it is a pretty popular option.

There seems to be some hardcore pro fluoride fanatics on here. Never the less I will stand by you with my no fluoride Tom's Toothpaste and fight the good fight.

Down votes for no fluoride toothpaste? Good grief...

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by ryandrake »

nappy wrote: post #29
BorgHunter wrote: post #6

> Power Toothpaste does not contain Fluoride. We know many of you don't want fluoride in your toothpaste. This seems bizarre to me. People don't want fluoride in their toothpaste? Why not? Dentists seem pretty unanimous that everyone should brush twice a day with fluoride toothpaste.

I wrote a longer comment about this below, but the essential reason is: if I made fluoride a product requirement, I wouldn't have gotten to a release. It would have added a huge expense. Additionally, fluoride is much more important for children. As enamel is forming, fluoride interacts with it and strengthens it. Adults need far less (threshold dose effect) and for most people in the United States, they likely get e…

As someone with a kid, who lives in one of those towns where the crazies managed to prevent water fluoridation, I'm always looking at toothpastes to make sure they contain it.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by msane »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #66
jscottmiller wrote: post #26

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Judging from this comment, the choice to remove fluoride seems to be a way to avoid additional FDA testing (including animal studies). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12507965

Well, that is certainly a mountain of things to go through just for fluoride in toothpaste. I find it amazing that only basic testing is needed for cosmetic products and something one is easily ingesting (slightly) on a day to day basis, but yet... fluoride requires animal testing? I would think at this point, a simple chemical composition testing the fluorine levels would be appropriate enough. They obviously don't…

Are you advocating for less testing on toothpaste or more testing on cosmetics...

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by DanBC »

samstave wrote: post #144
betenoire wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And for those that toe the line with dental benefit BS..." you _did_ say this, i'm not sure why you keep getting defensive when someone replies to your words.

Yes I did... Tell my why, irrespective of anything else, that the dental benefits of Fluoride in everything is what we should do? I am not saying we shouldnt I just want to hear the statement for it... as I do not know. Again, I am just relaying a quote... and I personally have no idea. Also, I'm not "defensive" and I actually find calling someone defensive to be a really lame way of discussing anything. Don't be def…

The many downvotes are asking you to reconsider your aggressive posting style.
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