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San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I grew up in San Diego before spending 20 years in the Bay Area. While I totally understand why a fresh graduate would want to head north to the bay, I think as a place to CREATE a startup, San Diego has tremendous potential. The weather is beautiful and actually beats SF. It's close to 70 year round, nice and dry, with great beaches and mountain and desert hiking. As the article notes downtown has been evolving in a…

As someone who lived in NYC for 17 years and moved to SF 6 months ago, my anecdotal experience so far is that SF is nowhere near as intense as NYC, at least as far as workplace environment goes. Everything feels considerably more laid back to me.

Curious about the individuals' drive to succeed, make money, be known, and to "make it".

The west coasts trains you to be discreet about your ambitions, hard work, struggles, etc.[1] It's the cool thing to do. So you might have to look for subtle signs.

[1] grew up in SV, went to east coast Wall Street feeder school.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I got a pretty competitive offer from a San Diego startup about 3 years back. They flew me down, wined & dined & afterwards we talked a bit of technology. They even did a real-estate tour to sort of close the deal. I turned them down after a lot of thought. Based on the outcome of that startup now, I was right. But you never know...

There is a fantastic passage in William Goldman's books where he talks about why all successful screenplays have basically been written out of crummy motels in Hollywood Blvd and tiny apartments in theatre district in NYC. Most successful screenwriters like Goldman for example are millionaires and film companies can easily afford to put them up in some exotic hotel in Vail or other foreign locales etc. Why pick crummy hovels to do your best work ? The same goes for Kurosawa ( Seven Samurai etc.) who did all his best work in some tiny hotel room even though his palatial house was much better furnished. Essentially, there is something called work-culture that happens best in work-cities, and when you think about tech work, the work-cities are basically crammed rows of desks in mountain view, Palo alto, soma SF,.... You don't think of jira tickets and Tahiti in the same breath. And those were the vibes I got out of San Diego - it was so nice and relaxing and I didn't see myself or my other colleagues getting any serious work done. You just felt like kicking back and watching the clouds or going surfing and lying on the beach. It's too holidayish. I would go there for a vacation, but not to actually get work done.

Like it or not, most tech work isn't particularly pleasant, and that matches the crummy efficient silicon valley vibes...rows of laptops, hardly any space, minutes away from pools of urine and filth on Market Street...I mean, it is what it is. I love Silicon Valley and I don't see work moving away from here given the nature of this work-city. Professors at school used to say the same thing about why the top math journals and papers come out of Minnesota and Chicago and Boston, as opposed to universities in more pleasant climes - because the weather in those places is so awful you have no choice but to stay cooped up in the library working on your papers :)

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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When I first visited San Francisco for a work trip, I was so underwhelmed about my experience there, don't take me wrong I think it's a great city with a lot going on, but I couldn't help but feel like it was so overhyped. Several friends wouldn't stop talking about how great SF is, and in my mind I always had this silly image of self driving cars, entire streets dedicated to technology and all kinds of futuristic sc…

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Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Speaking as an SD native, and a 25 year old developer, I've definitely felt the urge to move to San Francisco at times, but I could totally see SD becoming a huge hub for the tech industry if given the chance. SD would need some huge transit changes (it would be great if it actually worked), and having companies move downtown would relieve a lot of the hassle of commuting.

The north county areas of SD, where the tech jobs are, feel a lot like Silicon Valley, and I don't think that's a good thing. Leaving Mira Mesa for SV is not a win in my book. SF proper is an amazing place, much like SD, with lots of culture and stuff to do, but unlike SF, SD doesn't have the clout with the tech culture. Personally, I'm always excited when people say they're creating tech startups here, and I hope more people do.

Plus we're always on vacation here :P

EDIT: I agree that most people I meet are not interested in working for Intuit and Qualcomm.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In north county, places like Rancho Penasquitos (92129) have great schools and you can find decent single-family homes in the low $600's these days. Not true. I just bought a house in PQ and there's no WAY you can find anything below 650.

Depends on which part. North-east PQ (over by Rolling Hills) homes were built in the early 70s and are still going in the low 600's. I believe west PQ (Black Mountain Rd area) homes are newer and more expensive.

we could start a PQ HN meet-up. My treehouse accomodates 4 and has a pulley system. We can haul up buckets of beer :)

Note to self: uptownfunk, falkenb0t also in PQ. That's 5

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I lived in San Diego for the last two years and this article doesn't make much sense to me. They say the problem is that Sorento valley is to far from San Diego downtown but downtown is dull and there are plenty of good places to live not far away from Sorento valley (Del Mar, La Jolla, Pacific Beach). I commuted from North Park to the UCSD campus which is close to Sorrento valley and it was no problem at all.

That's funny, I remember getting from North Park to Sorrento Valley being sheer, utter hell on earth, most of it spent crawling up 805 at a snail's pace. Also, downtown (well, the gaslamp at least) is kinda meh but North Park, South Park, and Golden Hill are probably the best neighborhoods in the city, and about 2 miles from DT. DT does have one advantage though in that you can take the Coaster to Sorrento Valley.

The 805 is by far the worst freeway in SD. During any commuting time, you are bound to crawl.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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I can see the appeal of places like SF and NYC for 20-somethings, but I'm in my mid-30s with 2 kids and in San Diego I can afford a nice single-family house in the suburbs with good public schools and (relatively) affordable daycare. When I hear about the crowding and cost of living in places like SF/Boston/NYC it makes me shudder. I love it here, but I work in La Jolla not Sorrento Valley (I'm in biotech, not IT). B…

Also, our brewery scene is way better! Wait, you mean biochemists, geneticists, and molecular biologists might know something about yeast? No.....

Indeed, I haven't found a Bay Area IPA that's in the same league as Alpine.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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All of the tech jobs are in bland industrial office parks? Protip: Don't literally emulate Silicon Valley by building your tech scene to resemble boring, culture-less suburban Santa Clara County. Don't build it to resemble overpriced, under-serviced urban San Francisco, either. Innovate a better model.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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Notwithstanding the authors comments about location, I didn't want the engineers who want to stay in San Diego to miss the opportunity to do so because they were not aware of the great opportunities (companies) that are here. Many of these companies are hiring, and some of the most explosive are downtown: DOWNTOWN: MindTouch Classy Take Lessons GoFormz Underground Elephant Sweetlabs ChatMeter Tap Hunter Zesty.io Skysafe

MID-Torrey/Mira Mesa/Solana: Tealium iBoss Seismic Certona Nervana (recently purchased by Intel) Zebit Ingenu StackIQ Slantrange GovX SOCI Peachtree Zingle Cordial AttackIQ PacketSled

NORTH Verve Mobile NTN Buzztime Luxtera Source Intelligence VoxOx

And this is only pure tech companies - not including the cross-over healthcare IT/analytics companies...

Good luck hunting. These companies are hiring UCSD grads.

Re: San Diego Struggles to Keep Its Young Tech Talent

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As someone from Dallas who's considering a move next year (not by choice; our state legislature has promised to pass laws next year that will make it effectively illegal for me to continue to live here), I have no interest in ever setting foot in NorCal, but SoCal is on my short list. I find the Silicon Valley tech industry frightening and the culture associated with it degenerate. I'm not interested in the out-of-co…

I would seriously look into Orange County or Los Angeles, as I have found the SD tech scene to be far behind both in pay and technology/culture.
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