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Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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"Philosophy is the discipline whose adherents kick up a load of dust, then complain they can't see". Murray Gell-Mann. Mind you, I do have a degree in Philosophy from a faculty very firmly in the analytic school. Logic, metaphysics and ontology have been helpful in thinking about software problems. For instance, you can think of Russell's On Denoting ("the king of France is bald") as being about null pointers, or dan…

Do you mind please explaining rigid designators from Kripke and how they apply to pointers? That sounds like a neat insight! :D

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rigid-designators/

A rigid designator designates the same object in all possible worlds. Translation to software terms: a safe pointer/reference refers to the same object in all possible process lifetimes. Consider Python: everything is an object, including integers. If you look into the C implementation of CPython you'll see that the runtime creates certain commonly used object up front, rather than on demand as is the case for most objects. IIRC integers 0 to 10 are created upfront. So if we exec 'i = 0' in Python and don't change i then i refers to the same object every time we execute. It's a rigid designator!

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied some philosophy in college, and found the experience pretty disappointing. The field addresses some really fascinating problems, but I'm not too impressed with their answers. A typical assignment in philosophy consists of thinking about a really hard problem with no good solutions, picking one, and arguing for it. And since there are so few fixed points, almost anything is arguable. Really, it's a debater's…

> Really, it's a debater's paradise.

I think are overstating that, but it's worth pointing out that more than anything students in my philosophy program went on to law school and seminary...

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I love this bit: "I prefer to spend my college years searching, exploring, and wondering, as opposed to training to become an "asset" in the file cabinet of a "human resource" department. Rock on fellow baristas, rock on." Translation: "I'll come out of university with no transferrable skills whatsoever. Dreadfully unintellectual dead-end jobs are where I'll be able to keep pursuing my love of knowledge". Dude. The a…

> I'm proud of it, but I'd never boast about how poorly it prepared me for the job market.

This is what I don't get: why is there an assumption that what you study at university has to be in any way related to the job market? You study something because you have an interest in developing it further, being able to get a job doing it is just a secondary perk.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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post #100

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The rules of logic should be applied in philosophy as in physics. If you don't do that, or there is no competent judge (e.g. teacher) things tend to get out of hand, especially with people studying philosophy because they "can't do math".

The rules of logic are applied in philosophy for sure. That's the discipline that came up with the concept.

They seem to have given it up at some point. Or at least a good portion of them did.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought people do programming because they "can't do math"?

There are varying degrees of "can't do math", programming's being slightly above philosophy's (IMHO).

IYHO as a web developer!

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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"Philosophy is the discipline whose adherents kick up a load of dust, then complain they can't see". Murray Gell-Mann. Mind you, I do have a degree in Philosophy from a faculty very firmly in the analytic school. Logic, metaphysics and ontology have been helpful in thinking about software problems. For instance, you can think of Russell's On Denoting ("the king of France is bald") as being about null pointers, or dan…

You forgot the precision of language usage and precision and clarity of definitions, which has been the foundation of math - the way to deal with meaningful abstractions, and then so called computer science, where naming, clarity and reduced to the essence (to an optimum) abstractions (ADTs) are the most important aspects.

Classification (ontology) and labeling of a human language gives us meaningful type systems (Java has nothing to do with it). Logic gave us control structures and ultimately algorithms.

The philosophy of science and epistemology gave us the absolute necessity of tests and reality checks (otherwise one ends up with Hegelian abstract nonsense or what we call theoretical physics).

And metaphysics is just nonsense for weak minded to boost their self-esteem, which gave us "everything must be Object Oriented, statically typed, absurdly verbose" crap.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Dime store philosophy. Some just want to be seen as philosophers and regurgitate what others told them about anothers work. I always had a passion for philosophy, I read massive amounts before even going to college. I would read the ancient greek books that had english on one page greek on the other then use a concordance to basically teach myself ancient greek while making sure I had the context correct and not miss…

  > and regurgitate what others told them about anothers work.
  > ...
  > You can always tell by their copy and pasted thoughts
Reminds me of this cartoon: http://i.imgur.com/aI80YDO.jpg

Source: WuMo (http://wumo.com/wumo)

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'd say philosophers study philosophers... Not sure when that wasn't true? Aristotle being the most famous academic philosopher ... The thing that annoyed me was the number of philosophers that don't study anything else but proceed to talk about it. Stuff that hinges on politics or psychology for example where philosophers just assume that something is human or social nature . Or when we assume that justice is someho…

I would disagree and say philosophers study philosophy and I use study in a loose sense meaning "look into". I dont think you can read your way or study your way into philosophy. To me that is studying someone elses work not philosophy. Oddly enough I find aristotle a bore, he was too myopic and clinical when philosophy is no such thing. He was firmly rooted in the shadow cast on the wall and not what was casting the…

It'd seem that you have an implicit criteria for what constitutes doing philosophy. What do you mean exactly? In school you read the philosophy of others and write papers to try and add something to the arguments. Are you thinking more the old school systems guys like Liebniz, Spinoza, Descartes, etc who did other jobs and werent academically affiliated?

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say philosophers study philosophers... Not sure when that wasn't true? Aristotle being the most famous academic philosopher ... The thing that annoyed me was the number of philosophers that don't study anything else but proceed to talk about it. Stuff that hinges on politics or psychology for example where philosophers just assume that something is human or social nature . Or when we assume that justice is someho…

I would disagree and say philosophers study philosophy and I use study in a loose sense meaning "look into". I dont think you can read your way or study your way into philosophy. To me that is studying someone elses work not philosophy. Oddly enough I find aristotle a bore, he was too myopic and clinical when philosophy is no such thing. He was firmly rooted in the shadow cast on the wall and not what was casting the…

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