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Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by r-w »

keithnz wrote: post #114
flukus wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the onus on me to be aware of what every sub group considers offensive? Why isn't the onus on the sub group to recognize that they are a minority and that not everyone around them has to meet their standards of what is and isn't offensive?

because in a workspace the culture is one of inclusiveness, the onus on you is to be inclusive, I'm sorry to say, that's going to require some awareness on your part. But don't worry, it will likely just make you a better person overall.

Avoiding funny jokes because they might offend someone won’t teach people anything. It’ll just make them feel like they have to suppress what they actually want to say.

Most people have a thick enough skin to get over it, so the people around them don’t all have to adjust to their feelings.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by tdkl »

anon54321 wrote: post #63

Absolute BS. She sent an email to the entire company about this "incident", which I'll include here (names redacted). > 8:53:41 AM Person1: so am I the only one who thinks of the Bed Intruder auto-tune song everytime Person2 warns us of undisclosed persons in the building? > 8:54:47 AM Person3: hide yo wife? > 8:54:57 AM Person1: and yo kids > 8:56:02 AM Person3: well, you're not any more > 8:56:13 AM Person1: #winni…

> And then claims to still not feel safe coming back to work after taking a month off due to PTSD from the above incident.

And this case of "i'm right and everyone else around me is wrong" is considered normal ?

This is a western syndrome of "our lives aren't in imminent danger, we don't have to think about harvesting food and information is at reach" boredom.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by tdkl »

guessmyname wrote: post #24

Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies? Are women from other countries afraid to speak about this? Or are American women just overreacting? In this specific case I understand that insinuating a rape scenario — which by the way is not against women but "everybody" — in a work environment is bad, but without knowing what other toxic comments or behavior happened…

> Why are most of these articles about harassment in the office associated with American companies?

From my other comment : This is a western syndrome of "our lives aren't in imminent danger, we don't have to think about harvesting food and information is at reach" boredom.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by r-w »

applethrow2 wrote: post #96

I'm risking a lot here... Apple employee here: I only want to provide context. None of us want a toxic environment. We, at Apple, pride ourselves on the fact that we are accepting of all backgrounds, nationalities, genders, religions. I, personally, have struggled with ensuring a diverse set of folks on my team or all backgrounds. We love the fact that we're helping to lead the industry with regard to diversity. And…

The real question is this: should an entire company have to adjust to a few people’s sensitivities, or should those few people have to either develop a thick skin or switch teams?

I get that the joke was made in bad taste, but why imply that it trivialized sexual assault? That’s either disingenuous or ignorant.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by r-w »

noobermin wrote: post #38
zaroth wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the country was truly to "most sexist and racist" do you think the events would be so newsworthy?

I think s/he is being sarcastic.

Don’t give them too much credit.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by r-w »

fl0wenol wrote: post #121
flukus wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take away from this is that if something so innocuous can be considered so offensive it's much easier to avoid casual conversations with women at work entirely.

I'm a guy, and if you told me to smile or to cheer up because my resting face wasn't happy enough for you, and especially if I've had a rough day, I'd tell you to fall down a flight of stairs with a grin on my face. This goes for a lot of that stupid shit people who barely know each other seem obligated to say at each other in the office. No one needs it. I mean just a polite nod acknowledging one's existence is fine…

It says more about the person who says it that they think that will cheer you up, though if you actually reacted like that it would say more about you.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by MrLeftHand »

It's like the penny-arcade dkwolf joke over again. Or the spiderwoman crawling pose.

From the article feels like they were joking about everyone getting raped, including men.

Anyway, rape is a serious crime, no doubt about that and the joke might have crossed a line.

But were do we draw a line by getting offended or not? These lines are pushed further out every time and sometimes limiting freedoms.

Also, men can be sexist, that's true, but we are still in a position where women have an advantage, a powerful tool to call out someone being sexist and inconsiderate and get that said person into trouble and brand him so his future prospects are completely destroyed.

Is being offended about a joke enough to cripple someones future and life?

Looks like men always have to be extra careful about what they say and what they do. I wonder when this whole gender gap won't spill over to become from a male dominant society to a female dominant one.

It's hard to find equal grounds apparently.

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by ca1ek »

anon54321 wrote: post #63

Absolute BS. She sent an email to the entire company about this "incident", which I'll include here (names redacted). > 8:53:41 AM Person1: so am I the only one who thinks of the Bed Intruder auto-tune song everytime Person2 warns us of undisclosed persons in the building? > 8:54:47 AM Person3: hide yo wife? > 8:54:57 AM Person1: and yo kids > 8:56:02 AM Person3: well, you're not any more > 8:56:13 AM Person1: #winni…

If this is sexist, what isn't?

Re: Leaked Apple emails reveal employees' complaints about toxic work environment

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Post by ca1ek »

huhtenberg wrote: post #122
applethrow2 wrote: post #96

I'm risking a lot here... Apple employee here: I only want to provide context. None of us want a toxic environment. We, at Apple, pride ourselves on the fact that we are accepting of all backgrounds, nationalities, genders, religions. I, personally, have struggled with ensuring a diverse set of folks on my team or all backgrounds. We love the fact that we're helping to lead the industry with regard to diversity. And…

> We, at Apple, pride ourselves on the fact that we are accepting of all backgrounds, nationalities, genders, religions. Reads like a PR boilerplate.

Because it is.
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