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Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'm going to reproduce a reddit post I made recently that I think is relevant: Analytic philosophy has made my mind a razor. It forged in me the confidence and mental discipline to learn anything, and I'm now dominating the tech scene despite having little in the way of formal coursework. I was lucky to choose one of the few disciplines that can be fruitfully studied at Brown. As any student of a rigorous discipline,…

Is this satire? This is pretty much the perfect expression of all the most insufferable moments and people I knew during my own analytic philosophy education. It's even wrapped up in the fondest delusion of philosophy undergrads: that you, through the sheer strength of your intellect, rose above your surroundings. Your shit ain't that great, man. If anyone goes through four years of philosophy and is talking about th…

> Is this satire?

Yes. What I can't tell is whether it is intentional or not.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied a bit of philosophy in high school, but it didn't really interest me at that time. But getting older, I realize that philosophical questions are pervasive. A lot of our contemporary debates and our disagreements are rooted in philosophical questions. Unfortunately, I find philosophy to be very arid and I'm sure it doesn't have to be that way. For one thing, a lot of philosophy books discuss past philosopher…

I get your point, but Euclid's books are still being sold (in translation): https://www.amazon.com/Euclids-Elements-Euclid/dp/1888009195

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I did politics, philosophy and economics (PPE) at uni. I knew I could find a job as an economist or in politics but ended up as a product manager for an IT security company.

Analytical/continental philosophy is intellectual masturbation; clever scholasticism to keep (mostly) marxists in cushy jobs.

On the other hand, the history of ideas and political philosophy has been much more intellectually stimulating and rewarding. It's fine to study subjects which may not have any necessarily obvious value in the job market - there is value in being a critical thinker especially if used well (say, as a public intellectual)

Scientists are the most expensive: they need labs. Mathematicians are cheaper: paper, pencils and erasers. But philosophers are the cheapest: paper and pencils, they don't need the erasers.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I love this bit: "I prefer to spend my college years searching, exploring, and wondering, as opposed to training to become an "asset" in the file cabinet of a "human resource" department. Rock on fellow baristas, rock on." Translation: "I'll come out of university with no transferrable skills whatsoever. Dreadfully unintellectual dead-end jobs are where I'll be able to keep pursuing my love of knowledge". Dude. The a…

> Full disclosure: I myself studied philosophy at university. I'm proud of it, but I'd never boast about how poorly it prepared me for the job market. You would in another society, that doesn't prioritize monetary success and the job market above all things.

A society not prioritizing job market and a society where somehow not being able to get a job is a something you boast about are two different things.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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post #80

I love this bit: "I prefer to spend my college years searching, exploring, and wondering, as opposed to training to become an "asset" in the file cabinet of a "human resource" department. Rock on fellow baristas, rock on." Translation: "I'll come out of university with no transferrable skills whatsoever. Dreadfully unintellectual dead-end jobs are where I'll be able to keep pursuing my love of knowledge". Dude. The a…

> Full disclosure: I myself studied philosophy at university. I'm proud of it, but I'd never boast about how poorly it prepared me for the job market. You would in another society, that doesn't prioritize monetary success and the job market above all things.

Yup, I'd be the Philosopher King in Plato's Republic. First thing I'd do is ban JavaScript programming.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied a bit of philosophy in high school, but it didn't really interest me at that time. But getting older, I realize that philosophical questions are pervasive. A lot of our contemporary debates and our disagreements are rooted in philosophical questions. Unfortunately, I find philosophy to be very arid and I'm sure it doesn't have to be that way. For one thing, a lot of philosophy books discuss past philosopher…

I get your point, but Euclid's books are still being sold (in translation): https://www.amazon.com/Euclids-Elements-Euclid/dp/1888009195

Seems I didn't pick the best example :) it has actually great reviews!

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied some philosophy in college, and found the experience pretty disappointing. The field addresses some really fascinating problems, but I'm not too impressed with their answers. A typical assignment in philosophy consists of thinking about a really hard problem with no good solutions, picking one, and arguing for it. And since there are so few fixed points, almost anything is arguable. Really, it's a debater's…

The rules of logic should be applied in philosophy as in physics. If you don't do that, or there is no competent judge (e.g. teacher) things tend to get out of hand, especially with people studying philosophy because they "can't do math".

I thought people do programming because they "can't do math"?

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied some philosophy in college, and found the experience pretty disappointing. The field addresses some really fascinating problems, but I'm not too impressed with their answers. A typical assignment in philosophy consists of thinking about a really hard problem with no good solutions, picking one, and arguing for it. And since there are so few fixed points, almost anything is arguable. Really, it's a debater's…

I started a course in philosophy during my first year of university. I studied CS (in the UK, where you don't typically go far outside your major) but I'd always been curious about the humanities and thought it worthwhile to learn about all fields of knowledge. I'd also read about philosophy for laymen books as a teenager.

In the first lecture, I remember being surprised at how rational and logical the lecturer was. However, in the second lecture, we started getting into the details of different theories of meta-ethics. I was interested in the topic, but the presentation was exactly as you describe, focused on hairsplitting the viewpoints of everyone who'd debated the question previously.

In the last few years I was inspired to start analysing my own ideas and began studying philosophy in my own time. I now know my undergraduate experience was typical of analytical philosophy, which dominates the English-speaking academic world. Unlike continental philosophers, they believe that there's an objective reality and that our thoughts should be logically consistent. However, they also have accumulated a pile of logical puzzles (Frege cases, Gettier problems, the Raven paradox, etc) which imply that language does not straightforwardly refer to reality, that certain knowledge is impossible, and so on. This skepticism is (imo) at the root of the "debaters paradise" you observed.

Anyone looking for an alternative should give Objectivism a serious study. It has such a bad reputation in academic circles that I dismissed it for a long time, but when I finally got around to reading serious Objectivist non-fiction, I found it held together much better with my view of reality. It's basically a version of Aristotelianism, with some of the mystical implications removed. (Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology is the book to read if you want to dive in at the deep end).

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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"Philosophy is the discipline whose adherents kick up a load of dust, then complain they can't see". Murray Gell-Mann.

Mind you, I do have a degree in Philosophy from a faculty very firmly in the analytic school. Logic, metaphysics and ontology have been helpful in thinking about software problems. For instance, you can think of Russell's On Denoting ("the king of France is bald") as being about null pointers, or dangling pointers. And Kripke's rigid designators are a solution to the bad pointer problem. One of my lecturers, Jeremy Butterfield, would always exclaim "because Quine is our hero" whenever he mentioned the great man. "No entity without identity" and "to be is to be the value of a bound variable" are useful rules for software design as well as ontology.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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"Philosophy is the discipline whose adherents kick up a load of dust, then complain they can't see". Murray Gell-Mann. Mind you, I do have a degree in Philosophy from a faculty very firmly in the analytic school. Logic, metaphysics and ontology have been helpful in thinking about software problems. For instance, you can think of Russell's On Denoting ("the king of France is bald") as being about null pointers, or dan…

Do you mind please explaining rigid designators from Kripke and how they apply to pointers? That sounds like a neat insight! :D
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