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Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'm going to reproduce a reddit post I made recently that I think is relevant: Analytic philosophy has made my mind a razor. It forged in me the confidence and mental discipline to learn anything, and I'm now dominating the tech scene despite having little in the way of formal coursework. I was lucky to choose one of the few disciplines that can be fruitfully studied at Brown. As any student of a rigorous discipline,…

Analytic philosophy has made my mind a razor. [...] Formal mathematical training (graduate) will do that to you too. I often find myself thinking with abstract algebra ideas (groups, vectors, vector spaces, commutation relations, etc).

I studied both. They're great.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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An interesting list of some famous people with philosophy degrees: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1k1qSRoDpuOeDVkYm10bTg3V3l...

Haha, of course Phil Jackson is on there! His nickname was the "Zen Master" and used to give his players books for gifts to influence their thinking.

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> But hey, is it really worth it to spend upwards of $60,000 a year to read books that will still be around after graduating? Well, for some with eyes for graduate school it may be.

> Rock on fellow baristas, rock on

Finally, my dream of being a graduate student working at a coffee shop...

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'm going to reproduce a reddit post I made recently that I think is relevant: Analytic philosophy has made my mind a razor. It forged in me the confidence and mental discipline to learn anything, and I'm now dominating the tech scene despite having little in the way of formal coursework. I was lucky to choose one of the few disciplines that can be fruitfully studied at Brown. As any student of a rigorous discipline,…

Your razor of a mind could use a lubricating aloe strip.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'm going to reproduce a reddit post I made recently that I think is relevant: Analytic philosophy has made my mind a razor. It forged in me the confidence and mental discipline to learn anything, and I'm now dominating the tech scene despite having little in the way of formal coursework. I was lucky to choose one of the few disciplines that can be fruitfully studied at Brown. As any student of a rigorous discipline,…

Question -- you say that you are a person who is able to learn in solitude. Would you have been able to pursue your dive into Philosophy without the environment that Brown offered you? I ask this for a few reasons. 1) I have a fairly strong interest in the discipline, but have found rigorous self guided study to be a challenge, beyond cursory readings of the classics and a smattering of modern theorists like Singer.…

You certainly don't need expensive lab equipment to do philosophy. But a lot of philosophy is about interacting with others, about learning other people's ideas, considering them, coming up with your own reactions to those, and getting feedback as they consider your reactions. That kind of feedback loop is difficult if not impossible to do on a deep level without going to school for philosophy.

I'm sure there are people who have a very deep knowledge and understanding of philosophy despite being self taught, but I would be surprised if there were very many of them these days. It used to be a lot easier in the past, when there wasn't as much to learn. But even going back 2500 years to Plato's time, there was a great role for learning in the Academy, from which modern universities descend.

Of course, it doesn't take a university education to "do philosophy". You could certainly "philosophize" without any education (and a lot of people do, often not realizing that that's what they're doing). But I guess it all depends on what your goals are, and how deep you want to go.

I've personally found discussing what I'm learning with other students and with professors to be critical for my own education. I think philosophy is often as much of an oral tradition as it is a written one.

Finally, it requires an enormous amount of self-discipline to read and write as much as you would in getting a university education in philosophy, if you're going to try to teach yourself. A lot of people think they can just teach themselves, but later find to their regret that they can't without the structure provided by classes, schedules, graduation requirements, and teachers.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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> For some of us philosophy majors, we are just genuinely curious about some notions in life that are often taken for granted. For instance, is our ability to have rational thought just a product of our brainwaves, the interaction of different neurotransmitters? Or is there something more going on, something "supernatural" that allowed humans the capacity for rational dialogue? What a shame a philosophy education con…

Whether it does or it doesn't is itself a philosophical question. If you are interested in that question, you are interested in philosophy. The same goes for a lot of other questions that people might not at first blush consider philosophical questions, such as most any questions containing the word "should". I've found it interesting to see what extreme negative reactions a lot of people have to the very idea of stu…

A lot of philosophy departments are very poor[1] (nothing surprising here, a lot of CS departments are also very poor).

On top of that, it seems to me that, at least outside the most prestigious schools (e.g. Ivy's), philosophy departments at schools with respected CS programs, are even less likely to be high quality. This is exacerbated when you compare the quality of the CS program to the quality of the philosophy program, since we are already talking about schools with quality CS programs.

This means that the average HNer likely went to a school where the quality of the philosophy department is much lower than the CS department. So when an HNer says "A philosophy education sucks" they really mean "A poor philosophy education is worse than a quality CS education"

This is exacerbated by the fact that the first several philosophy courses one might take typically focus on gaining a groundwork in philosophy. It's not unlike someone finishing elementary school thinking math is just boring arithmetic.

At the school I went to, the smartest student in a philosophy class was typically an engineering dropout, and the intellectual rigor of the classes was poor because they weren't allowed to fail 50% of the students (unlike engineering, where that fraction would be high, but not eyebrow raising). For most of the time I was an undergrad, I thought that all philosophy majors were less intelligent than STEM majors and philosophy was not at all intellectually rigorous.

1: When I say "poor" I am being a bit vague, but consider it a qualitative mix of the faculty, curriculum, and students. Of course these 3 things are very closely interrelated as curriculum difficulty is adjusted to the level of the students, faculty has some control over the curriculum, and having quality faculty and curriculum will attract better students.

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