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Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by wfo »

powertower wrote: post #35
wfo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Common sense" is only common to the people who know it already. There are plenty of people who think the vast majority of the police are public servants trying to do their job, serve and protect. Maybe they're right. Some are. I've had good interactions with police officers and bad ones. The author was trying to do the right thing and maybe save someone's life. If a woman screams for help in a dark alley, it isn't c…

He witnessed white cops and a handcuffed black male who he claims was possibly muttering to himself. No one was beating anyone, no one was bleeding out. Common-sense is he interfered and made the situation worse.

He didn't interfere (he asked some questions as a certified medical professional) and he didn't make the situation worse. The officers made the situation worse, and he probably made things better for the guy in question -- would you want those particular violent abusive officers spending the next little while with their full attention on YOU? Ideally they'd be in jail, but if he distracted them for a while the guy's probably better off -- maybe the author took a beating the guy would have received.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by aetherson »

gregatragenet3 wrote: post #20
exolymph wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article says El Camino, California (perhaps an update?)

El Camino is a street. It runs from San Jose nearly to San Francisco.

Heh. It runs from San Diego to the North Bay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Camino_Real_(California)

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by anexprogrammer »

oconnore wrote: post #37
powertower wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What really gets to me is the fact that white societies are the number #1 immigration destinations for non-whites, and are entirely responsible for this person's opportunities and high standards of living. Yet all he sees is white racism. edit: since I can't reply anymore; to that one person... You've missed the point entirely. 1. You don't know that race had anything to do with what happened. All you have is one sid…

But he's probably right (and he's certainly the most qualified to comment on this incident). I'm pretty sure if I had walked up and said, "Is everything all right? I'm a medical doctor in case you need a hand with anything." the situation would have gone much differently. Furthermore, even if he isn't right, there is plenty of evidence of a growing white nationalism/racism in this country that the article wouldn't be…

But he didn't identify himself as a doctor. I can't help feel the encounter may have gone differently if he had.

Not that the behaviour is any more acceptable if he was just a random passer by.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by Meegul »

trungonnews wrote: post #10

Santa Clara city has some racist cops. I was pulled over, accused of DUI, arrested, illegally searched my car, brought back to the station for a blood test. Blood test came back with zero alcohol in my body. They treated me like I was criminal, finger printed, mugshotted. After being held for two hours, I had to pay $300 to retrieve my car from the impound. I guess we still have a lot of bad cops in the Silicon Valle…

How is it at all legal for the government to demand payment for something when you are not convicted of a crime? It's effectively a 100% discriminatory, corrupt, and unaccountable tax. Completely reprehensible.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by mikeash »

powertower wrote: post #25
mdadm wrote: post #15

Why does "white"/"male" matter? I understand that this is potentially a very contentious question, but I genuinely don't understand why those are listed in the title, or why "white" was the first in a list of insulting words used at the end of the article.

What really gets to me is the fact that white societies are the number #1 immigration destinations for non-whites, and are entirely responsible for this person's opportunities and high standards of living. Yet all he sees is white racism. edit: since I can't reply anymore; to that one person... You've missed the point entirely. 1. You don't know that race had anything to do with what happened. All you have is one sid…

He should ignore a racially motivated beating by police because other people of the same race are responsible for his high standard of living?

There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin. How about that his high standard of living is primarily due to his hard work and intelligence, not the graciousness of his white overlords.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by [deleted] »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #43
oconnore wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he's probably right (and he's certainly the most qualified to comment on this incident). I'm pretty sure if I had walked up and said, "Is everything all right? I'm a medical doctor in case you need a hand with anything." the situation would have gone much differently. Furthermore, even if he isn't right, there is plenty of evidence of a growing white nationalism/racism in this country that the article wouldn't be…

But he didn't identify himself as a doctor. I can't help feel the encounter may have gone differently if he had. Not that the behaviour is any more acceptable if he was just a random passer by.

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Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by duaneb »

Meegul wrote: post #44
trungonnews wrote: post #10

Santa Clara city has some racist cops. I was pulled over, accused of DUI, arrested, illegally searched my car, brought back to the station for a blood test. Blood test came back with zero alcohol in my body. They treated me like I was criminal, finger printed, mugshotted. After being held for two hours, I had to pay $300 to retrieve my car from the impound. I guess we still have a lot of bad cops in the Silicon Valle…

How is it at all legal for the government to demand payment for something when you are not convicted of a crime? It's effectively a 100% discriminatory, corrupt, and unaccountable tax. Completely reprehensible.

This isn't even the most absurd part about citizen/cop cash transactions: under civil forfeiture, they can take up to (iirc) $10,000 of your cash no justification or remediation path. Really, all they need is a traffic stop or a (suspect) smell of cannabis in the air.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by mikeash »

joesmo wrote: post #13

I'm sorry that this happened to the author, but the author has no common sense whatsoever. In addition to suing these officers and the police department, he should probably consider getting some common sense and never approaching a police officer again. I mean, seriously, what did he expect would happen? That they would let him check the suspect? That's so incredibly far-fetched and ridiculous, I cannot even imagine…

I've approached police officers before and never had the shit beaten out of me. Usually we just talk a bit about whatever's going on.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by gozur88 »

lingben wrote: post #31
gozur88 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, you've allowed yourself to fall prey to US election year propaganda. If you look at the numbers you're very safe travelling in the US, and to the extent you're in danger it's from criminals and not police.

The problem as I see it is that while 99% of police officers are not only law abiding and do their job with integrity, the 1% out there can and do destroy innocent lives. It is like walking into a mine field. You could very well walk out unscathed but one 'routine' brush with the wrong police officer and your life may never recover. So are you willing to take such a small but catastrophic chance? An intelligent perso…

Yes, but the point is the risk is so small you're off into lightning strike territory. Do you worry about brain eating amoebas when you swim? Do you refuse to fly because the plane might crash?

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Post by trungonnews »

Meegul wrote: post #44
trungonnews wrote: post #10

Santa Clara city has some racist cops. I was pulled over, accused of DUI, arrested, illegally searched my car, brought back to the station for a blood test. Blood test came back with zero alcohol in my body. They treated me like I was criminal, finger printed, mugshotted. After being held for two hours, I had to pay $300 to retrieve my car from the impound. I guess we still have a lot of bad cops in the Silicon Valle…

How is it at all legal for the government to demand payment for something when you are not convicted of a crime? It's effectively a 100% discriminatory, corrupt, and unaccountable tax. Completely reprehensible.

I didn't pay the cop. I had to pay the towing company. The cop told the towing company to impound my car.
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