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Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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I had a conversation a little like that when I was a teenager, without the beating part:

ME: Am I being arrested?

COP: No, you're being detained. Get in the car.

ME: And if I don't?

COP: Then I'll arrest you.

ME: For what?

COP: For resisting.

ME: Resisting what?

COP: ?!?!? Just get in the damned car.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

#3
From Felipe Hoffa's twitter feed [0]:

"Ali is a manager at Google. Ali is a doctor. Ali knows his rights. @aliafshar was brutally attacked by the police."

Related tweets hint that the incident may have taken place in Santa Clara, California..

[0] https://twitter.com/felipehoffa/status/776131486437081088?la...

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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This is why I teach my children never to speak to police officers, to avoid them as much as possible, and to leave the area should they become visibly present.

And I live in Canada; when I travel to the USA on business I stay in the hotel or the venue and restrict my traveling as much as possible. I don't fear the citizens, I fear the police.

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post #4

This is why I teach my children never to speak to police officers, to avoid them as much as possible, and to leave the area should they become visibly present. And I live in Canada; when I travel to the USA on business I stay in the hotel or the venue and restrict my traveling as much as possible. I don't fear the citizens, I fear the police.

Thats interesting,

I'm not sure which part of Canada you are from, but here in Edmonton the police are very friendly and as far as I know that is the majority opinion. Personally, and even amongst my friends (which ranges from Tim Horton's Employees to CS Professors) the opinion is the same. In general, especially in parts of downtown, I feel safer with the police around.

I don't, however, have the same feeling in the States.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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>“He is resisting arrest!”

>They were running this weird fake dialog in the background.

it seems to be a pattern how they run plausible deniability and can do whatever they want - one policeman may "see" something, like a gun, and announce it thus providing the other with full legal reason to act, i.e. shoot in the case of gun. If that "seeing" by the first happens to be just a mistake, such mistake can never be punished until proven that it was intentional, i.e. never. Such pattern is even completely resistant to body cameras.

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This is why I teach my children never to speak to police officers, to avoid them as much as possible, and to leave the area should they become visibly present. And I live in Canada; when I travel to the USA on business I stay in the hotel or the venue and restrict my traveling as much as possible. I don't fear the citizens, I fear the police.

Thats interesting, I'm not sure which part of Canada you are from, but here in Edmonton the police are very friendly and as far as I know that is the majority opinion. Personally, and even amongst my friends (which ranges from Tim Horton's Employees to CS Professors) the opinion is the same. In general, especially in parts of downtown, I feel safer with the police around. I don't, however, have the same feeling in th…

AFAICT it really depends on which Canadian city you're in, the VPD and TPS are not the RCMP after all, and whether or not you appear to be native, black, or a prostitute. Still, you don't want to catch the attention of an officer; they are an agent of state force capable of incredible violence.

But I agree that, in general, Canadian police forces are nowhere near as bad as major metropolitan forces in the USA.

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This is why I teach my children never to speak to police officers, to avoid them as much as possible, and to leave the area should they become visibly present. And I live in Canada; when I travel to the USA on business I stay in the hotel or the venue and restrict my traveling as much as possible. I don't fear the citizens, I fear the police.

That's always made me sad. My ex was American - when we moved to Ireland, I made a habit of routinely (once a week or so) asking random policemen for directions to places, just to teach her that they're entirely approachable here.

The closest thing we had to a bad experience, was one chap who took it upon himself to walk with us until we could see our destination, just to make sure we found it. I'd only wanted to waste a moment of their time, not a few minutes.

Re: To the 4 white male policemen who beat me for checking the health of [detainee]

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Santa Clara city has some racist cops. I was pulled over, accused of DUI, arrested, illegally searched my car, brought back to the station for a blood test. Blood test came back with zero alcohol in my body. They treated me like I was criminal, finger printed, mugshotted. After being held for two hours, I had to pay $300 to retrieve my car from the impound. I guess we still have a lot of bad cops in the Silicon Valley then we thought.
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