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Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

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>>How would one repossess an education? >You can't. Yet. ;)

Isn't that one of the options for the people who paid for ITT? Full refund only if they repossess your credits.

I was implying that we'll one day have the technology to selectively erase memories with high precision and reliability.

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The University of Texas has in state tuition for below 6k a year, and in some cases out of state tuition can come in at below 10k as well. [1] This is just tuition and administrative fees and doesn't include housing and textbooks. [1] https://admissions.utexas.edu/tuition/cost-of-attendance Edit: Sorry I misread. These stats are by semester, not year.

Right and also tuition doesn't mean cost of attendance where there are all kinds of additional fees, books, room and board, etc. Cost of attendance is easily double that of tuition. So it's actually in the vicinity of $25K per year for a state university. State college and community college in particular can be a lot less, and it's possible to even split the difference and do 2 years community and then graduate from…

Room and board is just a cost of life. You're paying it whether you go to college or not and it's easily affordable with a part-time bar job (obviously it'll be a crappy room and you won't be having steak for dinner but still not something you should need loans for).

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room and board You're paying for room and board regardless if you go to college or not. Or you can just live with your parents.

Most colleges require on-campus residence for at least 1 year (usually 2 years)

Seriously? I've never heard of this in the UK. How can a college require that? It's outrageous.

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Blue collar employment has been falling in this country, replaced by either knowledge work -- which usually requires further education -- or service industry jobs. If there were truly huge demand for many of these professions, pay would be skyrocketing, encouraging more and more people to go into these professions. I agree that there are and will continue to be good skilled trade jobs and many people would be better…

I've seen welders making $160k/year in Texas (oil), BUT the caveat is that its 1 welder whereas 20 years ago that 1 guy had 3 coworkers.

How do the health risks compare to sitting at a desk all day?

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Who sets those limits and how are they enforced over time? What if colleges find other ways to charge you money (accomodation, usage fees for equipment etc).

It'll be a never-ending cat and mouse game deciding those limits. I'd say artificially skewing the market is unsustainable and shouldn't be done.

Government backed loans already skew the market. Stopping them is an option.

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> Am I the only one who hates the notion of being forced to pay for other people's bad financial decisions? Yes, this is called living in a society.

Society can only work when there is trust and self reliance. Usurping from those who are responsible with their money rips this fabric. If you assume we all should be ok with this because 'society' then why not make it a voluntary bailout and see how far it goes. This would be a bailout at gunpoint because that's how laws and taxes boil down.

Would you say society is not working now then? There's plenty of mistrust and people who are not self-reliant. By your definition we don't currently have and have never in human history had, a working society.

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I've seen welders making $160k/year in Texas (oil), BUT the caveat is that its 1 welder whereas 20 years ago that 1 guy had 3 coworkers.

How do the health risks compare to sitting at a desk all day?

You could argue programmers in most countries get compensated for that risk of sitting all day. But most office workers do not.

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I think it's fine to subsidize education through government programs. Instead, remove the standard of requiring certain levels of education. Perhaps require industry-specific credentials that can be earned through exam or internship for most jobs. College should be about personal exploration over career preparation—at least in the bachelors level. Students can complete credentials as part of their final semester Seni…

Apprenticeships.

Not as common in a white collar setting (in the US at least).

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So if you're wealthy and that dollar goes to pay off the loan - where does it go? The person you're giving it to will either spend it on consumption, or loan it to someone else until (ultimately) it is spent. And if you deposit the dollar into the bank then the bank have to loan it to someone (they need to make money too!) who will then spend it on consumption. It won't reduce the amount of money in circulation[0]. S…

> So if you're wealthy and that dollar goes to pay off the loan - where does it go? It gets wiped off the books and a dollar leaves the economy. > The person you're giving it to will either spend it on consumption Did you take a loan out from a person? No. You took a loan out from a bank. They don't spend deposits on consumption. They cover their expenses and profits with the interest you pay. > or loan it to someone…

> If they don't meet reserve regulations at the end of the day, they borrow at exceedingly low interest rates to cover the gap.

Borrow from whom? I've heard this idea before that the loans issued by a bank are essentially independent of the deposits, and it makes sense to me from a logistical perspective - is some BofA loan officer going to load up BofA's financials to make sure they have the money to issue the loan? No, they'll just do it, and it's someone else's job at the end of the day to "make it work".

But who are the banks borrowing from? If it's from other banks, doesn't it mean that in the aggregate loans and deposits are tied together?

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