Even if he gets pardoned, I think he will just disappear.
Maybe he would have a tragic car accident, or commit suicide.
It's a shame you're being downvoted for something that's entirely possible.
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#82I believe when you wrote "socialist" you meant "authoritarianist"? Please don't mix-up those two concepts
Same.
Not at all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism).
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#83Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…
I am reasonably certain signing this petition would increase your bad karma with NSA. This in itself may not cause a problem but next time you come on their radar this might hurt you.
> A mode of thought I would expect in socialist countries, not the US...
USA is moving rapidly towards socialism though it is much behind than say UK or France. This sort of government overreach is inevitable.
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#84Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…
You are trying to aid someone who should be put on trial[0] for evidently breaking the law, yet is safely hiding in Russia under the welcoming hand of Putin and enjoys the media attention he consistently gets. It's not so much about risk, but about pledging alliance to a fugitive.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Criminal_charge...
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#85I believe when you wrote "socialist" you meant "authoritarianist"? Please don't mix-up those two concepts
They meant "communist", I assume, and communist countries are always totalitarian, I can't think of an exception.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think people are confusing your statement of the situation as endorsement of the situation. The reality is, I think you're right. Sadly, for the majority of people, this is not an issue they care about.
Descriptive vs normative statements. Surprisingly difficult for people to differentiate between the two.
If you look at my comment, it even was normative, but the other way round. I called the situation a "problem".
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#87For those outside of the US the link ( https://www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/take-action/Edward-S... ) does not work. Anyone know what the correct link should be?
I suspect Obama won't care too much about what people living outside the US think on this one.
At least some of us living outside the US are still US citizens, whom he presumably ought to care about (at least a little).
My actual experience, though, is that emigrants are viewed with some disdain by a good portion of US citizens. Then again, viewpoints like that are one part of why I'm an emigrant...
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#88Sorry Snowden but I don't support anything what "George Soros" support, i read you book,interview [...] but you are on wrong side of barricade https://www.google.co.uk/#q=gorge+soros "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more" http://commieblaster.com/george-soros-fund/ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-si... http://www.infowars.com/soros-admits-respons…
And you think Putin is better? But Soros is where you draw the line.
We speak about soros person who is mention even in hillary leaked email person who make money from people suffering. And use this money to buy people/lobbing for own personal revenge.
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#89I think the problem is, people do not care anymore. The scandal is over, business as usual. Only a small percentage of the population still cares about Snowden. I think the image of the NSA has been hurt and a change in legislation might get you some positive press in the future, but I do not think that pardoning Snowden would be worth the effort for a politician. On the other hand: Obama probably does not have to ca…
I think people are confusing your statement of the situation as endorsement of the situation. The reality is, I think you're right. Sadly, for the majority of people, this is not an issue they care about.
Interviewer questions have shown more care about Snowden's personal drama instead of focusing on the issues of growing censorship and surveillance.
I wish people would stop donating money to twitch gamers and instead support journalists who investigate, setup tor-relays/seed-boxes and reduce the dependence on centralization.
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#90How to take action outside US ? The link to Amnesty international on the Take Action page is broken.