Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

Post by stana » Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 1:54 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #175

igivanov wrote: post #161

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You don't need to look there, at all. Just look at the US aggressive wars and subversive activities in this century, e.g. Iraq, Libya and it becomes clear that the value of human rights abroad from the US point of view is exactly 0.

Iraq was a disgrace but bringing up Libya means you are either ignorant or being disingenuous. Gaddafi had imminent plans to commit another cleansing of the opposition. It was always going to be a lose-lose situation for human rights. Doing nothing is not always the right answer.

Post by postila » Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 3:15 AM UTC

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> 10 man-years are not though. Judging by the salaries from job sites and my yandex interview, the cost would most certainly top up at $0.5 million (that's a very generous guess, probably half or two thirds that, realistically). Not sure how much Oracle costs at Yandex scale (a LOT more?).

Am I missing something? How do you figure 10 man years = $500K ? Or is Yandex super stingy? DBAs and Developers worth their salt (who could pull off a multi-TB migration/etc without significant outage), would easily each go for $140K/yr minimum (so, 180-200K fully loaded with benefits and such). Still though: your point is valid in that, Oracle RAC cluster licensing and support is serious bucks.

Post by postila » Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 3:32 AM UTC

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niftich wrote: post #53

So having read through the slides, these are not bad slides, but I'm missing the 'real' wow-factor of why Postgres was a better choice in the end than Oracle. There's no doubt that the rewrite (which, because of PL/SQL -> PL/pgSQL, there was a rewrite) benefited them, but all I can glean from the slides is Postgres hasn't failed them yet and the rewrite worked. So as much as I want to talk about Oracle vs. Postgres,…

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Post by radicsge » Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 4:22 AM UTC

tremon wrote: post #79

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Asking seriously, but isn't Russia fundamentally closer to a kleptocracy? Dishonesty is apparently more pervasive and built in to their culture. From my understanding, bribe culture and cheating are an accepted norm. Not to say these characteristics do not exist in America, just not anywhere to the same extent?

The US just uses different words, such as "campaign financing", or "creative accounting".

Post by radicsge » Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 4:26 AM UTC

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I don't think you can lump Russia and China together. China is truly "on lower moral/ethical grounds". I can't trust any country that has such pervasive censorship policy and such blatantly protectionist policies as China. Frankly I trust the Russian government as much as I trust the US government or as much as I trust my government (the Mexican government). I don't think I would feel safe living in China! I wouldn't…

Russia is on a much lower ground ethically. China hasn't recently annexed territories from its neighbours whom they promised to protect and support just a few years ago.