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Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

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Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#41
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If this happens, do I get benefits on the debt I've already paid off? I would be pretty pissed if I didn't. I worked my ass off to pay my loans.

My wife and I worked and sacrificed to pay our student loans off. Struggle builds character, appreciation, and gratitude.

It is possible to build character without having it forced upon you.

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#42
I'd like to see something similar to the risk retention rule that was supposed to be put in place for mortgages by Dodd-Frank.* Colleges should only get 80 or 90 cents on the dollar from student loans and have to wait for the rest until the loans are repaid (if at all). Perhaps a sliding scale could be used depending on the amount borrowed, with more expensive schools bearing more of the risk.

* I say supposed to be because the rule was swallowed by an exception during the regulatory process and now only plays a minor role.

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#44

Part of the problem is that the last few generations have been told the same thing: blue collar jobs aren't "good" jobs. You need to go to college so you can get a "good" job sitting at a desk because those other jobs are below you. If you take one of those blue collar jobs then you've failed and aren't "achieving your potential". The grand irony in all of this is that the people who did go on to become plumbers, ele…

>> Part of the problem is that the last few generations have been told the same thing: blue collar jobs aren't "good" jobs. You need to go to college so you can get a "good" job sitting at a desk because those other jobs are below you. If you take one of those blue collar jobs then you've failed and aren't "achieving your potential". I think another part of it is that even low level office jobs now require some sort…

I'm skeptical of not allowing loans for degrees that don't lead to jobs. The fact that a statistical argument can be made, like "Only 30% of music majors have jobs out of school" totally obscures the fact that there are causal factors that determine career success out of school. I don't think the issue is degrees that don't lead to jobs. I think much of the issue is people beginning degrees that they have no business beginning. I suppose this is probably related to to many people going to college in the first place?

I majored in music. It's pretty easy to tell who will have a reasonable career after college. The people who are well prepared succeed. The people who aren't usually flounder and subsequently go on to flounder after school.

Should we be telling people who are likely to succeed in their field that they can't get loans to study something they will probably do well at because of all the asshats that apply to these programs with little preparation?

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#45

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It got put into place because they are high risk loans given out to people that have nothing to secure them with. If you could discharge them in bankruptcy, no one would offer them because huge percentages of people would go ahead and do so.

Thereby naturally solving the problem. Schools won't be able to raise their prices to pay for non academic garbage like stadiums and fancy buildings, they won't have to compete with other schools accepting as many kids as possible to make as much money as possible to keep up with the Joneses with their newest toys. And society can have a discussion again on how much it values educating its populace.

I think you have to have that discussion before you stop offering student loans. Nothing else would create the political room needed to do it...

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying off your debt early also builds really good financial habits which will help in the future. You learn to live below your means, make a budget, etc

If they're Federal loans with a often below-inflation interest rate, the actual good financial habit is often to not pay it off, and instead amass a) an emergency fund and b) sock the rest into retirement via an index fund or something similar.

Most federal loans are at like 6.5% or something silly.

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#47

If this happens, do I get benefits on the debt I've already paid off? I would be pretty pissed if I didn't. I worked my ass off to pay my loans.

I understand the sentiment, but "I had to do , therefore everybody has to do " isn't a great argument either, especially when it leads to a stagnant economy due to nearly an entire generation with no funds to spend. I'm not advocating for any particular solution, but don't react so quickly that you cut off your nose to spite your face.

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#48

As you are paying off your loans remember the high price of your education helped pay for not just a fancy diploma but also: Shiny new buildings, Hotel-like dorms, Professors making 400k, Administrators making 700k, a moped for every football player ...

Lol in which world do professors get paid 400k? Even at Berkeley CS mis career pay is roughly 150k. Administrators have ballooned.

Also our dorms are pretty shit.

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#49
post #14

IMO, a large chunk of this would be resolved if federal loans where limited based on tuition not just need. If a school charges more than ~20k/year then students can't apply for federal loans and private loans become dischargeable. Note: Some schools still charage less than 10k/year. http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list... Instead, schools have a huge incentive to raise tuition endlessly and f…

This. You're also just looking at private schools there; whereas students could attend public universities in their state and realize benefits that their (or their parents) tax dollars have defrayed the cost of tuition. The amount of money that amounts to poor spending on "needing" to live on campus, "needing to go to your top pick school", etc. is a little astounding. Also astounding is the ability to finance things like living expenses / room & board, which are often a huge component of total cost

Re: Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

#50

Situation: Government guarantees student loans and forbids issuing of loans based on likelihood they'll be bad back. Problem: Schools charge max loan value. Students can't pay them back. Solution: Give away free money. All the government has to do is nothing. Just stop doing things. Stop being involved. The problem will fix itself overnight if they did literally nothing. Le sigh.

The education market won't fix itself because students are not in a sufficiently secure bargaining position where they (collectively) can make an informed decision that corrects the market.
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