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Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by grkvlt »

burke wrote: post #34
DigitalJack wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have an app for monitoring cpu temps right now, and don't know if there is a CLI way to do it. I was able to keep the fan off for probably a minute before I stopped. I am interested to find out if intel's cpu throttling kicked in. edit: installed Intel Power Gadget. with 4 cores pegged (4 actual cores), the CPU was turbo-boosted (3.0GHz on my laptop). As I prevented the fans from running via Siri, the cpu thr…

There's no default utility for this. There's some sysctl values for the CPU and the GPU but they don't actually give you a temperature. There's an API for this in IOKit. Easiest way I've found to get at it on the CLI is: gem install istats istats cpu temp | awk '{gsub(/[^0-9\.]/,"",$3);print $3}'

Just FYI, I had to do the following:

    $ gem install istats
    ERROR:  Could not find a valid gem 'istats' (>= 0) in any repository
    ERROR:  Possible alternatives: iStats
    $ gem install iStats
    Fetching: sparkr-0.4.1.gem (100%)
    ERROR:  While executing gem ... (Gem::FilePermissionError)
        You don't have write permissions for the /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0 directory.
    $ sudo gem install iStats
    Fetching: sparkr-0.4.1.gem (100%)
    Successfully installed sparkr-0.4.1
    [...]
    This could take a while...
Then, I discovered it uses sparklines for output:

    $ istats cpu
    CPU temp: 60.625°C
Which is pretty cool.

EDIT: the sparkline doesn't show here, but it's a little bar-chart histogram

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by throwanem »

hashkb wrote: post #37
n1000 wrote: post #11

It's been around for a while already. The dictation feature in OS X 10.10 already knows that trick. The thought of the little thinks is what still makes me stick with OS X.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

Can it really be called "lock-in" when it's an effect of changes which to many people make the product more desirable for its own sake? Microsoft in the 90s wasn't really known for such behavior, to say the very least.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by tedunangst »

hashkb wrote: post #37
n1000 wrote: post #11

It's been around for a while already. The dictation feature in OS X 10.10 already knows that trick. The thought of the little thinks is what still makes me stick with OS X.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

How dare a company make a product people like!

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by matt4077 »

hashkb wrote: post #37
n1000 wrote: post #11

It's been around for a while already. The dictation feature in OS X 10.10 already knows that trick. The thought of the little thinks is what still makes me stick with OS X.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

I don't think it's about the money, it's more of a matter of capability and simply "caring". Regarding the latter: it seems that Apple has managed to build an organization where everyone knows that details matter and everyone identifies with their work.

Here's a wonderful example: two SMS, one from google and one from Deutsche Bank (who, at the time, probably had enough money to care about details) https://twitter.com/salzprojekt/status/707303168703602688

Both SMS have the same purpose: sending me a single-use login token. But only google thought enough about it to change the sentence structure so as to make the code visible without unlocking the phone.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by DigitalJack »

givinguflac wrote: post #23
DigitalJack wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a 2015 15" mbpr, and it doesn't take much for the fans to reach noisy speeds. one core pegged will do it after a few seconds. I run into this a lot with the new docker daemon. edit: just timed it (yes > /dev/null), it takes about 60 seconds of one core pegged to ramp up the fan to audible. And I'm used to silent so audible is noisy to me. Two cores pegged gets loud.

Honestly it sounds like you may want to get your fans checked out. Or perhaps you work in a totally silent environment? Loud is of course subjective, but my rMBP has the quietest laptop fans I've ever used.

Oh, by far this is the quietest laptop I've used. Most of the time. If I'm playing a game or docker pegs a cpu, that changes. It may still be better than other laptops, I don't know anymore, but once the fans get about 3k they start to get pretty loud. Below that I don't really hear them.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by hirsin »

matt4077 wrote: post #44
hashkb wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

I don't think it's about the money, it's more of a matter of capability and simply "caring". Regarding the latter: it seems that Apple has managed to build an organization where everyone knows that details matter and everyone identifies with their work. Here's a wonderful example: two SMS, one from google and one from Deutsche Bank (who, at the time, probably had enough money to care about details) https://twitter.co…

Is the point of 2FA to show you have possession of another device, or access to another device? While I'm in the same boat and appreciate seeing the code above the fold, for really secure things I'd prefer the Deutsche Bank example.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by tedmiston »

hashkb wrote: post #37
n1000 wrote: post #11

It's been around for a while already. The dictation feature in OS X 10.10 already knows that trick. The thought of the little thinks is what still makes me stick with OS X.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

I don't think of it like that on OS X (err macOS), but rather, they're making the most poweruser features non-defaults. All of the friendlier features can be disabled though; I can't think of any functionality that's been totally removed.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by tammer »

hashkb wrote: post #37
n1000 wrote: post #11

It's been around for a while already. The dictation feature in OS X 10.10 already knows that trick. The thought of the little thinks is what still makes me stick with OS X.

> The thought of the little [things] is what still makes me stick with OS X. This rubs me the wrong way because it's a vicious (positive, I guess) cycle. You keep buying iPhones, they stockpile billions in cash, and they can "think of the little things" (which is really just "How can we make OS X more like iOS and less suitable for power users?"). It's sad... but I can't imagine anyone taking the time to hack this to…

I used to think this way. I remember writing an angry rant comment on a review of the Magic Trackpad, saying it was the beginning of the end for precise, professional input.

Now, of course, I exclusively use the MT with my Macs & plan on moving to iPad Pro. I've realized that what actually makes someone more efficient and productive are not the tools that seem the most complex or offer the most options. What I've realized is that the biggest impediment to productive general computing is what I'm going to coin as "context exhaustion."

iOS is an OS designed to be orders of magnitude better in this category than a PC OS. A roll-your-own, completely open Linux distro is the opposite. At the end of the day, the tool that requires the least maintenance and repetition of movements is the tool that actually offers the most real productivity advancement. To use my example, once I realized giving up precise input was completely negated by the freedom of zoom gestures, I realized the great economic benefit of the MT. I'm critically faster at navigating interfaces with gestures like double-tap-to-zoom.

The best part is, Apple isn't trying to achieve market dominance the way MS did. They're simply offering high end products in high demand - and if they don't match your vision of what productive work should look like, you'll always have other options that will be much more popular in terms of market share.

A lot of focused complaints like these, I think, are the result of Apple fans not taking advantage of new features that reduce contexts.

Re: Tell HN: MacOS turns off the fans when Siri is listening

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

Unklejoe wrote: post #33
DiabloD3 wrote: post #18

My MBPr 13" (Late 2012) turns off the left fan and left speaker when the microphone (which is on the left side) is in use. This is entirely in software, and Windows 10 does not also do the same. OSX has done this since 10.8, which came with the MBPr.

I guess Windows is at a disadvantage here since it doesn't know the physical layout of the components on the hardware it's running on. It would be up to the laptop manufacturers to include a driver to do such.

> It would be up to the laptop manufacturers to include a driver to do such.

Which means it's not going to happen, and if it does, it's not going to work right.

The "IBM Compatible" or "Wintel" commodity hardware platform has proven to be a powerful force for making computers less expensive and easier to use, but there's something to be said for vertical integration.

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