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Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by adrianratnapala »

riboflava wrote: post #142
zerr wrote: post #135

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So you see the comfort of using IDE (eclipse or intellij) with languages such as Java. Do you feel a similar comfort in vim? with which languages?

Not the parent but I have the same reaction, and I wouldn't describe my experience in big IDEs as "comfort", just less pain. I use them with Java only out of necessity, and only on huge projects I didn't have a part in designing up front. Every other programming language I've used a lot of (spanning from assembly to lisp) I've found it most pleasant to work in vim, even in large projects. I suspect the only other env…

I found Vi to work perfectly well for C#.

Visual Studio would have been better, if I could have got a decent Windows desktop to span both of my monitors. But since my employer at the time didn't want to get a Windows PC or get a Visual Studio license for this Windows desktop application project, Vim + Samba + SSH were a workable substitute.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by flukus »

flukus wrote: post #246
tux1968 wrote: post #25

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Vim was in a virtual lock down of maintenance mode before Neovim came along and offered some competition. I'm happy to see Vim woken up out of its slumber, but let us not dismiss what Neovim offers or has already accomplished.

The release history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_(text_editor) doesn't looks pretty active to me.

Edit - I mean does look pretty active.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by pekk »

bch wrote: post #129
DiabloD3 wrote: post #55

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Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

> There's no replacement for vim. I'm used to seeing people say "vim" where "vi" is meant (of which vim is but one (much enhanced) clone), so when you say you could switch out gcc for clang, or bash for zsh, could you not switch out vim for (e.g.) nvi[0]? If not, why not? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvi

Almost nobody is using Bill Joy's vi and most systems don't have it. They might have a symlink to vim named 'vi'.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by michaelmrose »

bch wrote: post #239
inDigiNeous wrote: post #199

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Why would you want to switch out of vim ? It runs everywhere. nvi is completely different, all the configurations and so on. Syntax files, plugins, you can't just move those over.

You're assuming a vim-centric point-of-view. Believe it or not, I don't use vim that much, and so I have no vim configuration/plugins to worry about. nvi happens to be where I spend the bulk of my time since I've cared what flavour of vi I'm using. So, I haven't "switched out of vim". I am genuinely interested in "what I'm missing" though. I occasionally trawl though youtube to look for videos, but I mostly haven't h…

How about fugitive

http://vimcasts.org/episodes/fugitive-vim---a-complement-to-...

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by pekk »

bch wrote: post #239
inDigiNeous wrote: post #199

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Why would you want to switch out of vim ? It runs everywhere. nvi is completely different, all the configurations and so on. Syntax files, plugins, you can't just move those over.

You're assuming a vim-centric point-of-view. Believe it or not, I don't use vim that much, and so I have no vim configuration/plugins to worry about. nvi happens to be where I spend the bulk of my time since I've cared what flavour of vi I'm using. So, I haven't "switched out of vim". I am genuinely interested in "what I'm missing" though. I occasionally trawl though youtube to look for videos, but I mostly haven't h…

Someone somewhere uses elvis, but it doesn't make any sense to assume an elvis-centric point of view.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by michaelmrose »

zipperhead wrote: post #107
DiabloD3 wrote: post #55

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Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

Re: eclipse. Rather than the bridge you might want to give vrapper ( http://vrapper.sourceforge.net/home/ ) a try. I find it to be quite acceptable - much better than having no vim keybindings. It's very comparable to the jetbrain's vim plugin.

jetbrains vim plugin doesn't even let you define your own vim like keybindings. It is the worst vim plugin I've seen.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by flukus »

executesorder66 wrote: post #257
flukus wrote: post #244

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> 1. async feature was proposed in 2014 and earlier, Bram was opposed to the idea in general Not accepting a patch without question doesn't mean he was opposed to the idea.

I'm linking this[0] post, not to talk about why/if neovim is better than vim, but rather because it gives a nice overview of why that patch was rejected, and why neovim was started. [0] http://geoff.greer.fm/2015/01/15/why-neovim-is-better-than-v...

Look at the linked mailing list thread. It wasn't rejected, there were several adjustments for coding conventions, naming, etc and the last thing Bram mentioned was basically "we'll consider it".

Then the developer threw a hissy fit a few days later and created a fork because his patch wasn't accepted right away.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by sixothree »

bobajeff wrote: post #76
DiabloD3 wrote: post #55

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Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

Nano

I was able to explain to a first time Linux user how to edit a network/interfaces file using nano. I'm not sure I could have done that with vim. That makes a difference in my book.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by deathanatos »

allendoerfer wrote: post #256
JoshTriplett wrote: post #137

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I'd love to see vim add an embedded terminal emulator in a window based on the async support. That feature alone motivated me to try neovim.

That is tmux's job. Do one thing well.

I use ConqueTerm, inside vim, a plugin that supplies a terminal inside Vim. If you put the emulator inside the editor, you can take advantage of vim's extremely capable text manipulation. If I tmux then vim, I have to find some way to get the text out of tmux, and then back into vim.

Also, who says vim is running in a terminal?

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by flukus »

wodenokoto wrote: post #161
mden wrote: post #141

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It's close, but I think NeoVim's RPC model could be huge. Writing a new frontend for vim no longer seems that crazy of a goal which makes it easier for people to experiment with new editor ideas while relying on the very solid core of vim (well at least I find that exciting, idk if the general vimmer cares).

I dream of the day that when you tick off "vim binding" in the settings of any IDE it loads neovim for controlling the buffer.

I dream of the day when the IDE is in vim. There has been some great work around c# for this lately, where the compiler is running as a service and vim makes an async call for file completion, etc.
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