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How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

sliverstorm wrote: post #433
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #352

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And just to show that the other way works as well: Your diet would be havok for my insides. I simply cannot digest fat from meat very well. I'm mostly vegetarian, and eat a lot of legumes and dairy and grains and bread, vegetables and the occasional fruit. I eat fish (trout, usually) once a week for health purposes. I usually only drink water or black coffee. My main mode of transportation are my feet. I also general…

I'm curious, do you have a malfunctioning or removed gall bladder?

As a matter of fact, yes. It was malfunctioning (genetics, not gallstones), then it was removed.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

muddyrivers wrote: post #396
PieterH wrote: post #133

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My mother (1973, Edinburgh) bought "Pure, White, and Deadly," and we all read it. I was ten or so. Yudkin attacked white flour, white (processed) fat, and above all white sugar. It made perfect sense to us all, and cutting back on sugar became a slow, yet consistent part of our lifestyle. We never ate that much anyhow. I stopped eating sugar entirely at 15. I still recall the book's cover. Edit: it took me a lot long…

I wonder if the tolerance, and then the love, of highly sweet things is acquired. And mostly probably, it is acquired when one is a child. I have met and worked with many East Asians and Europeans who came to American in their 20's or older. Almost everyone of them thought American pastry and deserts are unbearably sweet. Most of them shun from soda drinks and other "food" containing high amounts of sugar. If they dr…

When we bake from American recipes we often reduce the sugar by 1/2, sometimes even to 1/3.

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by easuter »

greenshackle wrote: post #446
zeveb wrote: post #169

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> Tobacco is an addictive insecticide that won't even get you high. Nicotine is an addictive substance which suppresses appetite and increases focus; as found in tobacco leaves, it has a pleasant smell and taste.

It's worth mentioning, since most people don't know, that nicotine on it's own is not as addictive as tobacco. AFAIK the MAOIs in tobacco smoke contribute more to its addictiveness than nicotine [1] I've been chewing nicotine gum semi-regularly for a few months to improve my focus at work, and have not found it addictive so far. (I've never smoked). (Still, I wouldn't recommend people in general do this without caref…

Companies that produce cigarettes also optimize the tobacco blend and chemical treatment to make it as addictive as possible, which is why vaping nicotine doesn't have the same addictive effect as smoking cigarettes.

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Post by spmurrayzzz »

poooogles wrote: post #427
adrianggg wrote: post #273

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A really smart guy said to me once something like, “if you are smart and have money and you don't eat well then you are not smart”. I can't remember the exact quote but the sentiment really stuck with me. Look I'm no expert but I'm telling you the results are outrageous. Please do your own research as I only really have a school boy understanding of how this affects the body. My skin cleared up, my ailments all disap…

>It's all SUGAR. I hit the wall because of sugar. I finally cracked the magic code, NO SUGAR. Can't say I agree with this part. If you're doing any kind of intensive cardio work sugars are essential if you want to keep doing it for any long period of time. The harder you're going the quicker you'll want to start eating carbs, be it in gels/fruit (Dates are fantastic for this). You might actually just have got better,…

Even with heavy glycolytic training, exogenous carbohydrate intake needs are typically overstated.

Peter Attia (along with Volek and Phinney) has done some fantastic n=1 research in this area [1]

[1] http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-ath...

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Post by walshemj »

hx87 wrote: post #181
greglindahl wrote: post #90

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What about all the people who die from diesel particulates? Failing to consider that is exactly the mistake Europe is still making.

Particulates are easy to deal with using current technology--burn lean, burn hot (and inject lots of urea to get rid of all the NOx that this regime creates), and stick on a filter on the tailpipe to get rid of the stuff that does get created. The main problem is that diesel engines last forever, and a lot of old engines that don't meet requirements are still on the road.

Try riding a bike behind a bus or truck with a poorly maintained diesel

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Post by pharrington »

grecy wrote: post #370
pharrington wrote: post #139

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Fortunately we completely understand light; if you actually wonder about radio and want to bring it out of the realm of mystery potentially hiding dark magic, learn some basic quantum mechanics. As to what you ingest, learn how its made and understand the basic chemistry of the end product. No label gives insight into that, its just alot of research. Sure, systematic disinformation campaigns are real, but in 2016 tho…

> Fortunately we completely understand light So is it a wave, or a particle?

Neither: it's a packet of information that has properties of both.

I'm sure you've already heard that the subatomic world completely defies the expectations developed from having evolved to comprehend the macroscopic world. A large part of this, which is assumed but I believe needs to be explicitly mentioned in this context, is that mammal brains are shit garbage at intuiting probabilities.

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by antisthenes »

muddyrivers wrote: post #396
PieterH wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mother (1973, Edinburgh) bought "Pure, White, and Deadly," and we all read it. I was ten or so. Yudkin attacked white flour, white (processed) fat, and above all white sugar. It made perfect sense to us all, and cutting back on sugar became a slow, yet consistent part of our lifestyle. We never ate that much anyhow. I stopped eating sugar entirely at 15. I still recall the book's cover. Edit: it took me a lot long…

I wonder if the tolerance, and then the love, of highly sweet things is acquired. And mostly probably, it is acquired when one is a child. I have met and worked with many East Asians and Europeans who came to American in their 20's or older. Almost everyone of them thought American pastry and deserts are unbearably sweet. Most of them shun from soda drinks and other "food" containing high amounts of sugar. If they dr…

I am of European descent, and while I had a sweet tooth in my teens, American pastries and desserts were barely edible.

Now that I'm older (and lost my desire for sweets somewhat), I wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot stick. They are disgustingly unfathomable to eat and whenever I tried, it upset my stomach greatly.

So are most of your soft drinks, by the way. I cut sweet teas and juices with water to 50/50 ratio and then drink it.

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Post by antisthenes »

Practicality wrote: post #376
cm2012 wrote: post #309

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That is a myth. Every legitimate long term study of non surgical weight loss shows that it doesn't happen for the vast, vast majority of people. 1) ["In controlled settings, participants who remain in weight loss programs usually lose approximately 10% of their weight. However, one third to two thirds of the weight is regained within 1 year, and almost all is regained within 5 years. "]( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p…

I lost 20% 10 years ago and haven't gained it back (295->225 lbs.). On the other hand I am still overweight and would like to lose more. I did it by just exercising an insane amount every day. (Like 6 hours of cardio+strength training every day) Most people just aren't going to do that. No diet I ever tried had any similar effect. It did do a complete reset of my metabolism to the new weight though. I kind of think i…

> No diet I ever tried had any similar effect.

Have you tried eating 20% less every day with no effect? I have real trouble believing that.

A diet isn't just a change in what you eat, it's also a change in the amount.

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Post by sedachv »

WalterBright wrote: post #408
cm2012 wrote: post #309

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That is a myth. Every legitimate long term study of non surgical weight loss shows that it doesn't happen for the vast, vast majority of people. 1) ["In controlled settings, participants who remain in weight loss programs usually lose approximately 10% of their weight. However, one third to two thirds of the weight is regained within 1 year, and almost all is regained within 5 years. "]( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p…

My father decided to lose his potbelly in the early 1980s at the recommendation of his doctor, who sent him to a nutritionist. The nutritionist advised him and gave him a diet plan. 6 months later, he returned to the nutritionist having lost the pot, and the nutritionist was shocked, as nobody had ever followed her diet plan before. He maintained the weight loss for the next 30 years. At one point he was even able to…

> He said it was a constant struggle. But it clearly is possible.

That is just confirmation of point 4 of the parent post.

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Post by dredmorbius »

Cyph0n wrote: post #419
dredmorbius wrote: post #407

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I'm not claiming either that: 1. The direct cause of Robert Atkins' fallin on ice was heart disease. 2. That his falling on ice is proof of heart disease. Rather, I'm explaining how, as one of several precipitating factors , heart disease might be a factor in the question posed: "I don't get it: heart disease causes people to slip on ice?" I'm suggesting that a multifactor risk analysis be considered. It's the same m…

I see what you're saying now, but to be frank you could have saved some time with a shorter explanation.

Post short comment: be misread.

Post longer clarification: dismissed as too wordy.

Tough crowd.

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