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Solving All the Wrong Problems

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Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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I fail to see how "And a new proposal to create an app designed to stop police killings." fits on the list of problems that don't need to be solved. Am I missing something?

Responding to the point you're trying to make: How big of a problem are police killings--really? We all understand the act of (unjustified) police killings is a bad one, but how much of a _problem_ is it? Look at the evidence. Then look at all of the other problems that we all face, not just in the states, but worldwide. I can name a great problem that almost all of us should be focusing on: global warming. Why don't…

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Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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Developed world is dying of obesity, diabetes, suicide and depression. Are those problems less severe than under developed countries, without access to vaccination, medical care and nutrition?

All problems are relative to your frame of reference. For someone who always lived with access to basic needs, some problems might be crippling enough to cause significant impact.

Yeah you can have food, medical care, and a house, but if you take 2h commuting each way to work you'll probably feel miserable. If you have a crippled or distant social network, despite having all physical basic needs, Social Networking tools might be lifesaving for you (eg. depression, isolation).

And I've heard this quite some times: "Todays developed world problems, are going to be tomorrows developing world problems."

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

#53
post #21

> "As one colleague in tech explained it to me recently, for most people working on such projects, the goal is basically to provide for themselves everything that their mothers no longer do." Ha! I've used the exact same characterization. Anyway, this seems entirely predictable given a couple different considerations. 1) People are most apt to effectively solve problems for which they have some context. 2) People who…

I just said the same thing about wash.io closing down.

Help me out here, I really never got wash.io or rinse or any of those services. I'm assuming the target audience was millenials who have never stepped foot inside a dry cleaner and realized that many of them offer "pick up, wash & fold" services. No fancy app I'm sure but the core of the service existed. The comparisons made to "Uber" were not applicable in my opinion because there wasn't some type of laundry cartel controlling laundry medallions resulting in poor laundry services at high prices. Anyways, I'll go back to washing and folding my own laundry which provides some zen time in an otherwise hectic day.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

#54
The interesting thing about technology is that it has proven to be so powerful that when people do mundane things with it, it is viewed as a failure (maybe rightly so, to some degree).

But, and this is a big but, the vast majority of people go to work every day and do very little of importance. 99% of people are not changing the world, for the better or otherwise. All the people making coffee, serving food, pushing paper at the DMV, driving trucks, driving cabs, trimming trees and mowing lawns, writing articles for the NYTimes, etc. they aren't changing the world and they aren't making a significant difference in the lives of the least privileged (except maybe themselves and their own families, if they're in that category).

No one writes articles lamenting the fact that a barista isn't changing the world. So, why do techies get blamed for lack of world-changing work?

I'm not saying I disagree, per se. I just wonder what makes us (in the broad use of "us" here, to mean anyone who builds technology for a living) that we get tasked with fixing the world? Maybe it's the way tech entrepreneurs often hype the products of their labor as being world-changing...even while probably knowing it's merely a historical footnote, if even that, in the grand scheme of things.

I want to make a positive impact on the world with my work, sure, but I also find I have to make economic decisions not unlike people who go to a regular job every day. I have to work on problems that I don't consider important, sometimes, just because I know it will keep my rent paid and food on my table this month. I'm not gonna feel guilty for that, but I also would love to know what the author proposes be done to make it so I don't have to worry about stuff like that and can go back to important but not profitable problems.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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It's pretty un-self-aware for someone to simultaneously bitch that: 1. Some populations are underserved because they aren't sexy and high profile and interesting. 2. Some apps are solving small problems instead of tackling global warming. The truth is that many (perhaps all) of those apps will fail, and if any succeed, most of the successes will be kind of marginal successes that don't upend the world. So what? That'…

It's okay that the marginal successes don't upend the world, the writer simply is asking if those of us in the valley are "disrupting" the right problems for the right populations. A marginal amount of time-savings for a high-income earner in having their car parking woes solved might be economically more viable than working on a problem that is less sexy but potentially has significantly less impact on actual improv…

The "right" problems for the "right" populations is a silly formulation.

First of all, the implicit idea that the founders of these companies are all like, "Oh, hey, I have ten really highly functional business plans for bringing an app to profitability, and I'll reject the ones serving population X because I think it's 5% less profitable than the ones serving population Y" is dumb.

Second, the idea that that writer can identify the "right" populations and problems is risible.

And, to be clear, she absolutely is complaining that people are attacking small problems instead of global warming. She explicitly calls out rising sea levels.

And while a few of the services he identifies are targeted to a rich userbase (such as: locating rentable yachts, and probably the drone filming service, and the valet parking one), plenty of others aren't. The one about renting driveways is probably mostly enabling people who are relatively low-income for the area they live in to monetize an unused asset. Getting a new toothbrush addresses a need everyone has. Getting killed by the police is a problem faced disproportionately by lower-income people and minorities.

There are lots of false steps towards progress, and like I said, probably most or all of those will fail. But we've seen time and time again that top down direction to only focus on what some member of the cultural elite deems important is a recipe for disaster.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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post #27

In case there is just one person in this world who desperately needs any one of the said apps.. you can thank me later. A service that sends someone to fill your car with gas. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-02/gas-delive... A service that sends a valet on a scooter to you, wherever you are, to park your car. http://luxe.com/ A service that will film anything you desire with a drone. http://thenextweb.…

The cause and effect one is kind of interesting to me, it's almost like having a life coach/accountant that gives it to you straight and keeps you on track. For example, what if it knew you got a penalty fee for being late on paying your phone bill and it knew you bought a six pack of beer last week which caused you to not have enough money? Maybe it can berate you and let you know that the six pack of beer > no money in your account > late payment > late fee > in debt and broke? Can an app be heartless? This one has potential.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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> Here is just a sampling of the products, apps and services that have come across my radar

I don't know about your radar but my world is a pretty great place.

I can summon an Uber for myself or anyone else, get packages the next day at a fixed cost, live in a cash-less, paper-less world if I choose to, download a book 1 minute after learning about it while on the subway and have someone read it to me in a soothing tone, listen to my favorite writers and journalist on demand as they give away their wisdom for free all queued up on my infinite storage phone.

why pick and choose small niche startups for this article? what about self driving cars, 3d printing, VR, crypto currency or machine learning?

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

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sighs Another one of these articles.

The whole article is a fantastic example of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. It finds a bunch of ideas that fit the authors thesis and ignores the thousands of companies working on hard problems that impact nearly everybody.

Even the examples in the article are sharpshooters. They drew a circle around a set of people and held them out as support for the idea that tech startups are solely focused one demographic. It's bad logic, but it's also wrong.

Single mothers? There's a whole litany of apps targeted at them. Like SupportPay (https://supportpay.com) for child support collections. Or CareLulu (http://carelulu.com) for finding child care options. The rest of the list (rural poor, out of work Americans over 50, and veterans) can all very much benefit from the huge number of startups trying to make educational accessible over the Internet.

Energy startups are out there trying to help folks shave dollars off their energy bills (shamless plug: I work for Gridium at https://gridium.com - check us out!). Healthcare startups are out there trying to solve hard problems with medical record keeping and information access.

Hell those inwardly focused tech companies like Stripe and Gusto have made starting a small business the easiest it's ever been. Want to solve problems for veterans and the out of work over 50 crowd? Remove the friction around starting a small business and let them put a lifetime of experience and knowledge to work.

So ya some people are out there trying to solve the small problems. That's great, because sometimes solving a small problem leads to a big one. Amazon went from selling books to completely redefining how commerce happens for a large number of people. Solving those small problems also creates a class of person with experience in company building. Maybe they'll put that towards solving those generational problems in a couple of years.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

#59

None of this is going to change unless capital miraculously grows a conscience. As an entrepreneur seeking funding you can't afford to solve problems for the poor because there's no way to raise money for that, and there's certainly not a lot of disposable income available to bootstrap from. The problem with this type of article is that it conflates all the struggling little startups with the unicorns who are actuall…

One of the reasons few 'startup' businesses target the needs of the poor is that many (especially among venture capital and government regulators) are uncomfortable with doing business with (or 'making money off') the poor. Marc Andreessen commented that a partner at A16Z has veto-d at least one funding proposal because of this discomfort.

Re: Solving All the Wrong Problems

#60

The interesting thing about technology is that it has proven to be so powerful that when people do mundane things with it, it is viewed as a failure (maybe rightly so, to some degree). But, and this is a big but, the vast majority of people go to work every day and do very little of importance . 99% of people are not changing the world, for the better or otherwise. All the people making coffee, serving food, pushing…

So, why do techies get blamed for lack of world-changing work?

Because there's a visceral, emotional response people get when they see the amount that we're being paid to work and the capital that's being poured into what looks like frivolous trivialities. Artless commerce. If we weren't here the focus would remain on Wall Street, except CDOs and complex financial instruments are trickier to reduce to absurdity in the NYT op-eds.

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