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Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by skrebbel »

kakarot wrote: post #30
joshuaheard wrote: post #11

Maybe it's time to consider Facebook, Twitter, et al, as common carriers, which, under the new net neutrality law, would disallow them from censoring content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier#Telecommunicati...

Whoa buddy, that's some pretty heavy socialism. Anyone can make a forum. Mandating moderation rules creates a restrictive barrier for entry and actually harms free speech that falls out of acceptable range

Whoa buddy, that's some pretty limited free market regulation thinking.

There's plenty of laws that only apply on certain companies, after n employees or x revenue. Should be pretty feasible to devise a law that applies to sites with more than n active users such as Facebook and twitter and the likes and not to your neighborhood forum.

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by RandomOpinion »

ashwinaj wrote: post #21
shiftpgdn wrote: post #2

If you don't like Facebook's actions then don't use it. Having open speech on Facebook's platform is not an inalienable right. I don't agree with Facebook's privacy policies and thus have deleted my account and use other platforms. This isn't difficult. This article is tantamount to saying "Woe is me, NYT won't publish my op-ed." and expecting anyone to take you seriously.

Totally agree! I fail to understand why is this a 'problem'. FB can do as they please (fail or succeed as a consequence), they aren't a tax payer funded institution answerable to the public at large. In effect, people are dictating how FB should 'run their business'.

>I fail to understand why is this a 'problem'. FB can do as they please (fail or succeed as a consequence), they aren't a tax payer funded institution answerable to the public at large. In effect, people are dictating how FB should 'run their business'.

Much like the Microsoft anti-trust suits of the early '00s? There was nothing then (just as there is now) that forced people to use Microsoft products; numerous OS and software alternatives existed.

Facebook is currently large enough to distort industries and markets, just as Microsoft once was.

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by omginternets »

weberc2 wrote: post #78
mgleason_3 wrote: post #54

Americans are so bought into the idea that "explicit" images are bad that they can't see another viewpoint. Its become "natural". And, as the author pointed out, Americans are so blind to it that you don't even see the problem with censoring nipples but not beheadings. We literally cant see that noone should be injured by seeing a womans breast, but seeing a beheaded body - thats OK? Its interesting to see this story…

I'm an American, and as far as I can tell, beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity. I wouldn't put much stock in the LA Times either; lots of very biased reporting. EDIT: There seems to be some confusion as to whether we're talking about actual beheadings (e.g., ISIS videos) or theatrical violence. My previous statement pertains to the former context; I don't dispute that fictitious violence in America is…

>beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity

From one internet stranger to another, and with all due respect: bullshit.

We as a society positively freak out over nudity and drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice.

To claim differently is to either a) appeal to an exception that does not represent the overall social norm b) be disingenuous (which I don't think is your case, to be clear) or c) not even be aware of the problem, as advanced by the parent comment.

To say the American populace (again, on the aggregate level) is both desensitized to violence and hyper-sensitive to nudity is a massive understatement, one which can be directly traced to our puritanical roots.

Seriously, this is like saying America doesn't have a problem with gun violence. It's so patently and obviously false that it borders on comical.

(I again feel compelled to mention that I mean absolutely no disrespect. I just couldn't disagree with you more.)

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by kinkdr »

Lots and lots of people seem to forget: Facebook is an American COMPANY.

It is not a utility, it is not a non-profit organization. People choose to use it, and hence they have to put up with their rules.

If they don't like it, they should stop using it and start using the open alternatives.

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by electic »

sp332 wrote: post #49
electic wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. It is the main platform because those folks agree with the terms of use and privacy policy. As suggested, you can use something else that lines up with what you believe and frankly, if a lot more people do that, there will be another viable rival to Facebook. Vote with your clicks.

There are consumer protection laws that prevent companies from abusing their customers even through "agreements". http://fortune.com/2016/03/02/facebook-germany-antitrust/

This has nothing to do with what the OP said. The discussion is about what is allowed on FB and what is not allowed on FB. The article you linked to is talking about data collection policies.

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by electic »

fsloth wrote: post #25
electic wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. It is the main platform because those folks agree with the terms of use and privacy policy. As suggested, you can use something else that lines up with what you believe and frankly, if a lot more people do that, there will be another viable rival to Facebook. Vote with your clicks.

"It is the main platform because those folks agree with the terms of use and privacy policy" I disagree. Do you know how many general users have the vaguest ideas what those things are? People en masse use Facebook because other people do - they have very limited of awareness of anything how Facebook skews their view of reality and what limits their communication on the said platform has - until they hit those limits…

I think you nailed it right there. People have not hit those "limits" and are okay with what they see on the platform. Since there is no decent, the people are OK with Facebook's handling of cleaning content.

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by barrkel »

lorenzhs wrote: post #79
briandear wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show nipples in Asia or the U.K. It isn't just "Americans."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_3

And shortly before the internet really took off and started to standardize legal porn (meaning: harmonize to American rules), 16 and 17 year old topless girls were legal on page 3, with harder stuff elsewhere on the European continent. America effectively exported their legal standards here, mostly through credit card companies I expect.

(Not saying commercializing topless schoolgirls is just fine, just that normal used to be different and it has changed due to American influence.)

Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Post by weberc2 »

omginternets wrote: post #84
weberc2 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American, and as far as I can tell, beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity. I wouldn't put much stock in the LA Times either; lots of very biased reporting. EDIT: There seems to be some confusion as to whether we're talking about actual beheadings (e.g., ISIS videos) or theatrical violence. My previous statement pertains to the former context; I don't dispute that fictitious violence in America is…

>beheadings are at least as controversial as nudity From one internet stranger to another, and with all due respect: bullshit. We as a society positively freak out over nudity and drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice. To claim differently is to either a) appeal to an exception that does not represent the overall social norm b) be disingenuous (which I don't think is your c…

Or, you know, d) I thought we were talking about actual beheadings (e.g., ISIS promo videos) and not theatrics.
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