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Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by DiabloD3 »

copperx wrote: post #89
DiabloD3 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

> Given Vim powers our industry I hope that you're being sarcastic.

Nope. The only other popular editors I've seen people using is either Sublime which, although highly configurable, just ain't no vim; or, all the emacs users, with emacs being the only real competitor to vim. I didn't mean what I said as a slight to emacs users at all, I respect them and their editor, I'm just a huge vim fan.

Also, the same with Java only being used with Java IDEs, C# only being used with Visual Studio is also a notable exception to my "vim all the things" rule.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by DiabloD3 »

omaranto wrote: post #79
DiabloD3 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

I found that Emacs + Evil is a pretty good replacement for Vim. Nowadays there is also NeoVim.

I consider NeoVim a Vim, too, thus I don't mention it separately, even though a lot of the internals has been changed around. I wish them a lot of luck.

Evil mode in Emacs seems to be a bit of a crutch. I was actually an emacs user for awhile, and a lot of emacs' power imo comes from using emacs "the right way". I respect emacs and emacs users.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by aidenn0 »

kozikow wrote: post #11

I moved to http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Evil and I am happy with the transition. Spacemacs seems to be a good choice nowadays. Magit and org-mode are worth it.

I'm a big fan of evil-mode as well, though for some things they can't decide if they want to be just like vim or not (One example is whether or not yanking to the default register goes to the clipboard).

Re: Vim 8.0 released

#104

Post by vbezhenar »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #101
copperx wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given Vim powers our industry I hope that you're being sarcastic.

Nope. The only other popular editors I've seen people using is either Sublime which, although highly configurable, just ain't no vim; or, all the emacs users, with emacs being the only real competitor to vim. I didn't mean what I said as a slight to emacs users at all, I respect them and their editor, I'm just a huge vim fan. Also, the same with Java only being used with Java IDEs, C# only being used with Visual Stud…

Probably different people have different views on the industry. I never saw anyone (but me) using vim. Programming: Eclipse, Intellij Idea. Administration: notepad, sometimes notepad++. For Linux it's KEdit or GEdit, depending on environment, I saw nano once. vim or Emacs are popular among enthusiasts, but for many professionals who's just makes living on it, those are gimmicks from ancient era.

I spent quite a lot of time mastering vim. It's beautiful editor and I could be incredibly productive with it, but I'm not sure that there are many people who'll do that.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by mixedCase »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #55
znpy wrote: post #8

Given the occasion, and given that vim is charity-ware software ( http://charityware.info/ ), it would be cool to have some sort of HN-wide donation to ICCF ( http://iccf-holland.org/ ). Donation page: http://iccf-holland.org/donate.html It seems that you can send bitcoins too: http://iccf-holland.org/bitcoin.html Imho just mentioning HN in the payment description would be okay :)

Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

JetBrain's Vim plugin is very high quality.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by Lio »

I didn't see anything in the release notes but does anyone know if Vim 8 adds true colour terminal support?

(I realise that NeoVim has this.)

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by zipperhead »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #55
znpy wrote: post #8

Given the occasion, and given that vim is charity-ware software ( http://charityware.info/ ), it would be cool to have some sort of HN-wide donation to ICCF ( http://iccf-holland.org/ ). Donation page: http://iccf-holland.org/donate.html It seems that you can send bitcoins too: http://iccf-holland.org/bitcoin.html Imho just mentioning HN in the payment description would be okay :)

Given Vim powers our industry, it'd be neat if pg or any of the other big members of our community donated a non-trivial amount. There is very few pieces of software I could never imagine replacing in my toolkit. Linux? I use Windows, too. GCC? Clang gets some love sometimes. Languages themselves? I'm fluent in several. Shell? I used Bash for years, now I switched to ZSH, but could go back to Bash if I needed. Tmux?…

Re: eclipse. Rather than the bridge you might want to give vrapper (http://vrapper.sourceforge.net/home/) a try. I find it to be quite acceptable - much better than having no vim keybindings. It's very comparable to the jetbrain's vim plugin.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by MichaelGG »

kozikow wrote: post #11

I moved to http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Evil and I am happy with the transition. Spacemacs seems to be a good choice nowadays. Magit and org-mode are worth it.

I tried that. Evil seems to mess up on things now and then. Clicking the mouse acts as a command or something, wiping out ".". And macros, now and then, act up. As in, they won't record properly or something. On large Rust files, things grind to a halt if I run a macro on every line, whereas in Vim proper, things always stay speedy.

In concept though, it is the best solution. Maybe I just have a broken config or something.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by evanrelf »

baldfat wrote: post #96
bwilliams wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say he's stepped up. It's all a reactionary response to Neovim. I dont think we'd ever have async in vim if it weren't for the neovim project. That being said I hope they pull an io.js and merge taking the best of both vim and neovim, whatever that may be.

async VIM - We had it 4 years ago with VIM-Dispatch. https://github.com/tpope/vim-dispatch

If you know how vim-dispatch works, you'll know that it just opens up a split in Tmux/Screen or makes a new tab/window in your terminal emulator to run the command "asynchronously." While it does work, it's definitely a hack and not a feature of Vim.

Re: Vim 8.0 released

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Post by Lio »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #58

Oh Vim... If you're going to lightweight and vi-like, than do that. If you're going to go the Emacs route (and if you're adding async, packaging, and lambdas, make no mistake, you're starting in the steps to building an inferior Emacs), than get a half-decent extension language. Or just up and die. We don't need a Vi clone that does the Emacs thing, we've got Evil/Spacemacs for that.

The thing is, having tried Evil/Spacemacs, they're still really Emacs not Vim.

At some point you have drop out of the pseudo Vim world do things the Emacs way, keybindings and all.

For me personally, that's not what I want.

e.g. I like to use C-h as an alternative to backspace, it helps relieves my RSA not have to reach for backspace. Spacemacs provides that binding in some places but not all.

To get get C-h to consistently act as backspace I ended up effectively breaking the help system (which for an Emacs newbie like me is a bad thing).

I found loads of other things like that where I just want it to work the Vim way.

What I _really_ want is a better Vim not another editor pretending to be Vim on a superficial level. I'm glad to have the options that both Vim 8 and NeoVim offer.

Of course Emacs is an amazing bit of software and Spacemacs is a great configuration so if they work for you, more power to you.

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