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Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by toomuchtodo »

merpnderp wrote: post #30
toomuchtodo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sophie's choice: people are either going to die from climate change, or from policies making oil more expensive to consume to slow climate change. The question is as old as time: who is going to decide which cohort dies. And the answer is the entirety with the most might/force/influence, as always (unfortunately).

The IPCC says nearly all predicted deaths will happen in the future. In a future where by all current data, the world will be a richer more capable place. The future deats are mere guestimations as only the extreme limits of hubris would attempt to accurately predict the capabilities of people 50 or 100 years from now. Whereas the deaths from higher food prices are here and now. You could easily get on a plane and me…

> In a future where by all current data, the world will be a richer more capable place.

But climate change is already too far in progress to wait for a future where we're more capable. We're already capable enough, just need to funnel money to the right places.

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by e12e »

08-15 wrote: post #29
e12e wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to forget one of the most "insidious" uses/dependencies of oil: food production in general and agriculture in particular. No oil, means, as far as I know, without radical change, less (as in not enough) and (much) more expensive food. That's even before one considers transport etc.

I really wonder why farmers don't run their equipment on biodiesel or bioethanol. (Actually, the answer is bloody obvious. Admittedly somewhat off-topic, too.)

AFAIK there's been some success in Germany with being able to combine a big enough crop devoted to biodisel along side a meaningfully size crop for food - but oil, especially subsidized oil, is really cheap energy.

But there was recently a big scare connected to farmers taking subsidies to produce biodisel - and biodiisel production out-competing food production and/or leading to hike in food prices... so yeah. If you have X square meters in which to grow food, you can't readily use some large percentage of that for "growing" biodiesel, without cutting into your food grow area.

I'm sure there are certain biomass that will work as both, but it's not trivial to "just use biodisel".

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by ende »

Waterluvian wrote: post #13
jnordwick wrote: post #7

Tl;Dr Therefore, construction of the pipeline on Army Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe will not go forward at this time. I hope this is the start of mineral and property rights for the land. We have people living and dying because they cannot use their land productively. This is socialism people. It kills people. As a Sioux native, let us use out land white men do, collateral on loans, to build business, but y…

Can you explain what you mean by this being socialism? It doesn't appear to be the socialism I'm familiar with here in Canada.

What socialism are you familiar with in Canada?
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