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Lifelogging is dead for now

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Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by ourmandave »

berntb wrote: post #14

I always wondered what would happen to violent crime if everyone logged what happens? (If there is no obvious camera, it would be enough if 10-15% logged, for the risk to increase.) A button sends the last minute of everything that happened to the police, along with GPS coordinates (preferably with a face recognition service)? If your voice is needed to turn off logging, it will be obvious what happened, when knock o…

That reminds me of the SF short story about the invention of a machine that could play any past event like a movie on TV and how it transformed society.

Imagine a world where anyone could play back any moment of anyone's life (living or dead) at any time, unedited.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by FussyZeus »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #25
modeless wrote: post #15

There's a life log built into Google Maps. It's called Timeline and it's pretty neat. It annotates your raw location history with the names of places you've been and the photos you took while you were there. It's a nice benefit for those of us who don't mind letting Google store our location history. https://www.google.com/maps/timeline

Yeah, I shut that trash off years ago. I love keeping records of my own. I don't love the government having a permanent record of everywhere I've ever been over the last ten years.

They still do, don't worry.

When it comes to state surveillance, you're in one of two groups: Either you're a target, in which case they already know everything about you and turning off location history in Google isn't going to accomplish anything, -or- you're not a target in which case nobody cares about your location history.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by the-dude »

FussyZeus wrote: post #32
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I shut that trash off years ago. I love keeping records of my own. I don't love the government having a permanent record of everywhere I've ever been over the last ten years.

They still do, don't worry. When it comes to state surveillance, you're in one of two groups: Either you're a target, in which case they already know everything about you and turning off location history in Google isn't going to accomplish anything, -or- you're not a target in which case nobody cares about your location history.

Well if you are not a target right now, you could always become one. So it does matter to turn off location history.

And even if you are a target right now, you probably do not know this. So you still want to turn off location history.

I am not sure what you are saying, it sounds very smart, but it isn't ?

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by Loic »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27
tezza wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't they have your phone mast history as a good second go ?

Cell phone location history won't tell you nearly as much. They can generally say which town I'm in, what part of town even. But I could at any point be in hundreds of different buildings at any point from the history of what towers I'm connected to. Meanwhile, Google location history pinpoints you to an exact address give or take every five minutes.

Interactive map rebuilding the location of a German green party representative over 6 months:

http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-vorratsdaten

He sued the Deutsche Telekom to get access to the data. As you can see from the strength and orientation of the communicating antenna, they can basically build again your complete life. So, your phone company knows a lot about you and most likely even more than that as you are most likely using their DNS server to resolve the websites you access using your mobile connection.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by nerdponx »

I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are interested in logging every detail of their lives. It seems like the obsession with collecting memories on your hard drive is a great way to never collect any of them in your head

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by mcherm »

severine wrote: post #19
kybernetikos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically yes. Practically I'd be very surprised if such a tech startup would have terms I would trust. Things I'd be looking at: * data ownership - including in the event the startup is bought * data access revocation - I want to be able to revoke access to my data in a meaningful way * business plan - I want to be the customer not the product for something like this * portability - I don't want to feel that I'm…

Take a look Su Sandstorm.

What is that? I can't (easily) tell what it is that you are trying to suggest looking at.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by soylentcola »

piva00 wrote: post #7

Lifelogging reminds me of this episode of Black Mirror: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entire_History_of_You Now I don't know how much it was based on Gordon Bell's/Vannevar Bush's idea or if it's simply a big coincidence.

Thought about this as well. I agree that the concept of using electronics to create a sort of "prosthetic" photographic memory is interesting but going with the theme of the series, it did an interesting job of dramatizing the potential pitfalls of being able to rewind and review everything you say or do. I liked that wasn't even about conspiracies or surveillance but rather the way that sort of access to the past can allow you to dwell on it and constantly second-guess yourself and past actions.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by icebraining »

nerdponx wrote: post #35

I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are interested in logging every detail of their lives. It seems like the obsession with collecting memories on your hard drive is a great way to never collect any of them in your head

It seems like the obsession with collecting memories on your hard drive is a great way to never collect any of them in your head.

I don't see why. Once you have a working setup, life logging can take less time and effort than manually taking pictures with your phone.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by raihansaputra »

lordnacho wrote: post #22

One great thing about the current state of technology is you'll have a picture of your kid virtually every week of their life. When I was a kid, the camera would get lugged out for occasions like birthdays. Now I have more pictures of my kids than days in their lives. I think it's great. There's even metadata to tell you where and when the pic was taken.

I think this increase of frequency is interesting too. But sometimes it does dilute the meaning of the pictures, and no one have time to sort out 1000+ pictures from the last year to make into one coherent album telling a story. They resort to 'auto-curate' that's based on their network's reaction to the post (e.g. those 5 top posts of the year on instagram), not the moment or their story itself.

Re: Lifelogging is dead for now

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Post by madengr »

nerdponx wrote: post #35

I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are interested in logging every detail of their lives. It seems like the obsession with collecting memories on your hard drive is a great way to never collect any of them in your head

Totally agree. Funny to see people filming stuff, looking through their screen, instead of actually looking directly at the scene. Tend to not remember it doing the former.
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