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The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you only get 1 free credit report per year?

Once per year per agency, which gives you three (I think?) total reports per year.

You are correct. The idea is that you space them out every 4 months so you can keep tabs on your credit file for free.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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'And 5 percent had errors that could be devastating, potentially denying lines of credit to them and making things like auto insurance prohibitively expensive. “To have that error level, it’s akin to 5 percent of automobiles spontaneously accelerating and having an accident, or 5 percent of planes falling from the sky,” Wu says. “We wouldn’t accept that error rate in other areas.”' This is a dishonest statement. Havi…

Multiple government systems rely on Experian for identity verification. If you don't have credit, you don't exist in the system according to the government. I've run into this personally with healthcare.gov and state medicaid applications, as well as commercial uses like Amazon Payments.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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How much is this connected to not having a real id card? For me is always weird when you see things like "no flight lists" and it is just a list of names. In Spain or Sweden your ID will be listed and the rest of people named like you spared of being harassed. Another concept that I don't understand is that USA's social security number has to be kept secret or otherwise your identity can be stolen. How that is even p…

>> How much is this connected to not having a real id card? Each state has it's own Drivers License and usually a very similar card that is simply for ID. Many places such as banks or cell phone companies will request your drivers license or ID # in addition to your Social Security # to open an account.

Driver license numbers change when you move, so are not useful for things meant to be long term like credit.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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The credit reporting system probably wouldn't work if you had to have the account holder's 'permission' to add events to it - you have to do it in this automated way. Although it can be a pain, the responsibility of if your credit report is accurate falls on you, the consumer. You should many of the free services to check your credit and then dispute any events that aren't correct. Most people don't have issues but y…

I don't know how it works today, but back when I was 20-something it was good advice to dispute anything negative on your credit report, because a lot of companies wouldn't bother responding by the deadline. I had a friend who made a defaulted mortgage disappear that way.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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The credit reporting system probably wouldn't work if you had to have the account holder's 'permission' to add events to it - you have to do it in this automated way. Although it can be a pain, the responsibility of if your credit report is accurate falls on you, the consumer. You should many of the free services to check your credit and then dispute any events that aren't correct. Most people don't have issues but y…

I've had bad/wrong info on my reports in the past and it took years to get the stuff removed. There is no transparency to the process and the process seems completely arbitrary.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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Some steps to monitor your credit (USA):

1. Signup for https://www.creditkarma.com. Yes, you can argue about giving your credentials to a 3rd party company and they show you ads but credit karma sends me real time activity on my credit report FOR FREE. I get offers etc but I am happy since I can keep an eye on my credit report from all agencies. (except Experian who want you to pay them for report).

2. Get a free credit report once a year from https://https://www.annualcreditreport.com

3. Get your FICO score from discover [0] for free OR Open a credit card with Citi cards [1] and I think for $95/Year fee, they give you free FICO score which is the score that majority of lenders use. There are many other companies that offer FICO score for a fee but this was a good way for me since I needed that type of card anyway.

[0] https://www.discover.com/free-credit-score/

[1] https://www.cardbenefits.citi.com/Products/FICO-Score

4. Check your credit card and bank statements every few days. I do it once a week. It is a good habit. For this step, do it manually. Don't rely on mint or tools like that. Check the transactions manually.

5. Setup alerts with your bank/credit card for transactions with a certain threshold. For example, I have alerts for anything over $10. For under $10, see Step 4. This is another step in case you do have a fraud.

5. Don't give out your SSN or credit information to anyone unless absolutely sure. Never give these on a phone call with any company unless you know that you called that company and they need the info (example: health insurance etc).

6. If you ever get a call from a Collection Agency, do not give them your information right away. Lot of collection calls are plain fraud or incorrect. Ask them to send a letter with details (genuine ones will do anyway). Read this from FTC about debt collection to educate yourself

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0149-debt-collection

These steps will keep you safe for the most part.

Fun fact about credit reports: See this video by John Oliver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRrDsbUdY_k

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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The credit reporting system probably wouldn't work if you had to have the account holder's 'permission' to add events to it - you have to do it in this automated way. Although it can be a pain, the responsibility of if your credit report is accurate falls on you, the consumer. You should many of the free services to check your credit and then dispute any events that aren't correct. Most people don't have issues but y…

This sounds pretty similar to DCMA reporting. When responsibility for error correction doesn't fall on the person making the error there will be more errors, especially in an automation system because there is no incentive to sanity check. In both of these cases, the person harmed is blamed for not monitoring an a third parties automated system for errors. Users now need a way to automate the monitoring/dispute process.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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How much is this connected to not having a real id card? For me is always weird when you see things like "no flight lists" and it is just a list of names. In Spain or Sweden your ID will be listed and the rest of people named like you spared of being harassed. Another concept that I don't understand is that USA's social security number has to be kept secret or otherwise your identity can be stolen. How that is even p…

While this makes perfect sense and works great in the rest of the world, ID numbers in the US have been talked about, but have faced resistance from two groups.. those that think that this is somehow an invasion of privacy, and those that think that this somehow correlates with the 'mark of the beast' and signals the end of humanity according to the bible. (not joking)

Individual states already issue identification cards, and people use that all the time for this purpose.

In a system like the US, I think it's better for the states to handle identification cards, not the federal government. There's a lot of details that go into identifying someone, and your local state is best equipped to handle that.

To give a few examples:

What's the procedure for changing your name? A lot of people change their name after marriage or divorce. Those are usually handled by the states, so adding a federal government in there raises the net complexity.

Should people in Alabama be able to force the residents of California to put their original sex on a federal id card? I don't care, but other people do. It could be one of those pointless political distractions that's better left unanswered.

If the federal government runs it, now they have to own or rent a bunch of land in every major city in every state so they can service id card requests. So it gives them a larger presence. I guess they could reuse social security offices, but they couldn't reuse state DMV offices which are the more natural choice.

Re: The careless errors of credit reporting agencies

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The credit reporting system probably wouldn't work if you had to have the account holder's 'permission' to add events to it - you have to do it in this automated way. Although it can be a pain, the responsibility of if your credit report is accurate falls on you, the consumer. You should many of the free services to check your credit and then dispute any events that aren't correct. Most people don't have issues but y…

I don't think the fact that the process is automated is a problem (and I don't see anyone saying so). The problem is that existing algorithms are bad (like in the article where an algorithm decided two people are the same based on name and year of birth alone, when all other factors speak against it) and that complaints are not handled properly,
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