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Re: How One of the Deadliest Hajj Accidents Unfolded

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Post by sctbpwn » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:07 PM UTC

sctb wrote: post #14

exmuslim wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Article doesn't mention any steps the organizers are making to fix it That's because they are making none. The "steps" (rituals) of Hajj have been the same for over 1400 years, there's no reason for such accidents to happen when you: Know where people are headed. When people are headed there. The number of those people. And most importantly UNLIMITED fucking ressources! Knowing that many people lost their lives beca…

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how about go fuck yourself

Re: How One of the Deadliest Hajj Accidents Unfolded

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Post by ihsw » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:56 PM UTC

exmuslim wrote: post #4

tantalor wrote: post #2

> caused by two large groups of pilgrims converging onto Street 204 Sounds like a traffic management problem. Article doesn't mention any steps the organizers are making to fix it. Perhaps controls at intersections?

>Article doesn't mention any steps the organizers are making to fix it That's because they are making none. The "steps" (rituals) of Hajj have been the same for over 1400 years, there's no reason for such accidents to happen when you: Know where people are headed. When people are headed there. The number of those people. And most importantly UNLIMITED fucking ressources! Knowing that many people lost their lives beca…

Could not agree more, the House of Saud is a blight upon humanity and especially a blight upon Muslims around the world.

Re: How One of the Deadliest Hajj Accidents Unfolded

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Post by aws_ls » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 8:30 AM UTC

exmuslim wrote: post #4

tantalor wrote: post #2

> caused by two large groups of pilgrims converging onto Street 204 Sounds like a traffic management problem. Article doesn't mention any steps the organizers are making to fix it. Perhaps controls at intersections?

>Article doesn't mention any steps the organizers are making to fix it That's because they are making none. The "steps" (rituals) of Hajj have been the same for over 1400 years, there's no reason for such accidents to happen when you: Know where people are headed. When people are headed there. The number of those people. And most importantly UNLIMITED fucking ressources! Knowing that many people lost their lives beca…

I saw the entire thread of comments under yours, and I'm glad that you were so willing to admit, you crossed a line, so I am commenting in general, just to understand better. And offer my thoughts, if you don't agree please explain to me why.

>I am so glad I've renounced my religion, people often poke fun at the materialism of christianity by mentioning Indulgence and not realize Hajj is the most exploitive religious act anyone can engage in.

Are you comfortable renouncing your religion? I personally prefer a secular prefix than an ex prefix. For example, couldn't you have just continued to be less religious. Making arguments based on science and known facts, to counter dogma. Without ever bracketing yourself as an 'ex'. I believe from within you can bring about more change in any community.

Also in that way, you continue to enjoy all the biryanis[1] and all the sewais[2], and all the nice fraternity - which is largely good. Just my opinion on whats healthier. I typically sincerely seek to understand all sides. And my view is extreme positions are harder to change (very obvious point I know).

[1] & [2] -- some nice Muslim food in the Indian subcontinent