Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

I'm not sufficiently versed to have this opinion probably, but why are we building pipelines all over the place? Isn't oil a dinosaur (heh heh) at this point? I mean, no, obviously the world runs on it, but I expect to in my lifetime see insane leaps in solar tech and rollout, huge jumps in the percentages of electric cars on the roads, driverless cars reconfigure if and how people buy cars, and so on.

Is the US really growing its oil use so much we need two or three new pipelines?

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by neolefty » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 3:51 AM UTC

> Furthermore, this case has highlighted the need for a serious discussion on whether there should be nationwide reform with respect to considering tribes’ views on these types of infrastructure projects.

I find this whole statement strangely moving for a government memo.

I'm sure there will also be a popular cynical reading of this, and I can understand given the history, but hope springs eternal.

> Therefore, this fall, we will invite tribes to formal, government-to-government consultations on two questions:

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by slavik81 » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 3:53 AM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #4

I'm not sufficiently versed to have this opinion probably, but why are we building pipelines all over the place? Isn't oil a dinosaur (heh heh) at this point? I mean, no, obviously the world runs on it, but I expect to in my lifetime see insane leaps in solar tech and rollout, huge jumps in the percentages of electric cars on the roads, driverless cars reconfigure if and how people buy cars, and so on. Is the US real…

It's not use that has changed. It's production.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=m...

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by jnordwick » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 4:10 AM UTC

Tl;Dr

Therefore, construction of the pipeline on Army Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe will not go forward at this time. I hope this is the start of mineral and property rights for the land. We have people living and dying because they cannot use their land productively. This is socialism people. It kills people.

As a Sioux native, let us use out land white men do, collateral on loans, to build business, but you string us up telling us what we can and cannot do with our land. I why can we not be allowed to do what the white man does?

As a Sioux I approve.

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by naterr » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 4:36 AM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #4

I'm not sufficiently versed to have this opinion probably, but why are we building pipelines all over the place? Isn't oil a dinosaur (heh heh) at this point? I mean, no, obviously the world runs on it, but I expect to in my lifetime see insane leaps in solar tech and rollout, huge jumps in the percentages of electric cars on the roads, driverless cars reconfigure if and how people buy cars, and so on. Is the US real…

This pipeline removes 7 unit trains a day from the rails through Minnesota to Illinois, the bakken makes about a million+/- bbls a day, and will for quite some time.

Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 4:47 AM UTC

gragas wrote: post #3

I'm almost certain that construction will continue at some point in the future.

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Re: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 4:49 AM UTC

naterr wrote: post #8

themartorana wrote: post #4

I'm not sufficiently versed to have this opinion probably, but why are we building pipelines all over the place? Isn't oil a dinosaur (heh heh) at this point? I mean, no, obviously the world runs on it, but I expect to in my lifetime see insane leaps in solar tech and rollout, huge jumps in the percentages of electric cars on the roads, driverless cars reconfigure if and how people buy cars, and so on. Is the US real…

This pipeline removes 7 unit trains a day from the rails through Minnesota to Illinois, the bakken makes about a million+/- bbls a day, and will for quite some time.

The solution seems to be to drive the price of oil up then, no?