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Re: How Dropbox Hacks Your Mac

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Why not an "HTML with minimal styles and no JavaScript" version? Oh wait, that's not reactive.

It can be: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

Ever so slightly more polished: https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/full/KpMqqB/

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Can you also tell us why Dropbox eats lots of CPU cycles anytime there is any filesystem activity? If I unzip a large archive in /tmp, Dropbox is eating 60% of my CPU. If I open the new Xcode for the first time (and the system verifies all the signatures) Dropbox is eating 100% of one CPU. It really seems like the Dropbox client is monitoring the entire filesystem (all FSEvents) instead of just the dropbox syncing fo…

Could this be a consequence of the built in FS APIs coming up short, as Ben put it, and forcing DropBox to do things in less efficient ways to work around the limitations?

What do they need different from what time machine uses?

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Out of the mainstream ones, they are the only ones supporting Linux.

How so? Seafile and SpiderOak both thrive on their excellent Linux support, and Mega also supports Linux with an official client. They are, if not in the top five, at least in the top ten of popular consumer cloud storage solutions.

With all due respect but this is the first time I've heard of Seafile, probably because Seafile isn't for consumers [1], SpiderOak is primarily a backup solution that learned to do sync, with its client implementations being weird, ugly and featureless and while I never tried Mega, I really don't think anybody sane can trust Kim Dotcom's Mega with any important files.

As anecdote I have zero acquaintances using any of these. Mainstream are Dropbox, Google Drive, Box.com, Microsoft OneDrive, Apple iCloud and Amazon Drive. That's already Top 6 and combined they probably cover more than 98% of marketshare.

[1] https://www.seafile.com/en/product/private_server/

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Honestly, after the last year and a half, anything that wants root access, that is not open source, is out. Now, being open source does not make that automatically safe but it is a step in the right direction. Dropbox, MS Office, etc, are closed source tools that puts too much at stake. Granted my team is small, but we just uninstalled dropbox today. Going to use the web interface and look for another solution in the…

I'd love to hear what you find. My research has shown that Dropbox is mostly the only sync service supported in mobile apps. iCloud is next. After that it's very rare to see any other integration. I'd love to see Box or someone else encourage popular apps to support their sync platforms, but I doubt it will happen. I blame Apple for not supporting easy 3rd party integrations.

I switched from Dropbox to Mega a few years ago and they now have mobile apps, sync clients for multiple operating systems and decent browser extensions in addition to a more generous storage allowance. There is also the added benefit of encryption. So far I remain impressed with their service.

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Great article, but poor conclusion. He finds that Dropbox is untrustworthy, a finding that likely surprises no one, and reaches for iCloud as the solution. Why move into another walled garden driven by corporate interests? OwnCloud or a similar self hosted solution would be better. I just use NFS and a dead simple storage server to make ~/shared available on all of my machines.

agreed. The cost of hard disk/ssd storage is constantly falling, I hate having my crap locked up in the "cloud" knowing that if I miss a couple payments it's toast.

Re: How Dropbox Hacks Your Mac

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> so they implicitly have access to all your files If you can demonstrate how Apple has access to my files on an OS X installation with no iCloud configured, I will round up a massive bounty.

Open your finder. Every file that you see has just been touched by apples code. Your OS does have access to all files that you have on your computer. It manages all network connections. It exposes all information that tools such as little snitch display to you. Apple signs and provides all software updates to you. They control SPI and app sandboxing. I'm not saying that Apple does access your files. I do trust them n…

lil snitch is one of the best tools out there, and it's what inspired me to never use apple software again... so I did the right thing and gave my lil snitch registration code to a friend.

I'm still looking for a linux alternative to lil snitch that is just as robust and intuitive - but I'm stuck using a few different things to achieve the same effect. Anyone have a recommendation with a slick GUI (for some reason I really like a GUI for firewall management)

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And if you're using Ubuntu, you're trusting package managers, and if you're using Gentoo, you're trusting original developers (how often do you audit source code?)

It's interesting because at some level, particularly with closed source products trusting the company developing the product is important. Apple have made some effort to stand up for the privacy of their users. Dropbox on the other hand have board members who support and have authorized warrantless wiretaps: http://www.drop-dropbox.com/

I personally think their privacy stance was mostly to protect their own interests rather than any concern for the common man, but they were able to spin it really well and get great publicity as usual. It hurts me to say this as an owner of 2 MBPs and a mac pro which I love, but Apple is not on our side and it's painfully obvious.

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Dropbox circumventing security restrictions (albeit for legit reasons) is particularly worrying because they have board members who support warrentless surveillance. In my mind Dropbox became a company not worth supporting when Rice joined Dropbox's board ( http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ ). Personally, with a board member who advocates warrentless surveillance it seems unlikely that we share similar views on the securi…

The combo of Rice and now this revelation that Dropbox gains user-level access to your files (and network resources) really makes me wonder if Dropbox isn't really a NSA plant. What better way to gain access to users' files than through a startup's free app that demands your password?

Although you might think that the NSA wouldn't want the blood-stained hands of a Bush era crook drawing attention to the company.

Re: How Dropbox Hacks Your Mac

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Open your finder. Every file that you see has just been touched by apples code. Your OS does have access to all files that you have on your computer. It manages all network connections. It exposes all information that tools such as little snitch display to you. Apple signs and provides all software updates to you. They control SPI and app sandboxing. I'm not saying that Apple does access your files. I do trust them n…

lil snitch is one of the best tools out there, and it's what inspired me to never use apple software again... so I did the right thing and gave my lil snitch registration code to a friend. I'm still looking for a linux alternative to lil snitch that is just as robust and intuitive - but I'm stuck using a few different things to achieve the same effect. Anyone have a recommendation with a slick GUI (for some reason I…

I really like EtherApe btw for visualization - would love recommendations for similar tools
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