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Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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Some (likely outdated) idea to do with treating farming capacity as a strategic reserve.

Look, in war times, we can plant potatoes in all our gardens and take our spare meadows. We don't need these farmers in peace time; we really don't. They are leeches.

Tiny little farms like that wouldn't be a huge amount of food. It's vastly inefficient compared to a huge factory farm and you can just summon up the tractors and watering infrastructure to properly run a farm.

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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This is a simple duty arbitrage play. For anyone wondering what he actually did wrong, there are a few key points to note. Aluminum (and all materials, really) is exported and imported and duties are paid on the basis of the HS code and (if there is a trade agreement to be taken advantage of) certificates of origin (COO) along with the usual shipping docs. China is inclined to tax exports of primary aluminum because…

Where does one go to learn about such things? Is it economics? Any recommendations? Thanks in advance!

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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Really? Wouldn't you think U.S. has the lowest proportion of "rich without merits" as %age of rich of any nation in the world – and indeed in history of world?

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is a totally valid point. For the downvoters: malchow's claim is that in the US, rich people are more likely to be businessmen or people who have otherwise worked for their wealth, rather than simply having been born to the right parents.

I agree with what you're saying, but at the same time it's a hell of a lot easier to end up a wealthy adult if you come from a wealthy family. "Small" loans from family etc.

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Really? Wouldn't you think U.S. has the lowest proportion of "rich without merits" as %age of rich of any nation in the world – and indeed in history of world?

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is a totally valid point. For the downvoters: malchow's claim is that in the US, rich people are more likely to be businessmen or people who have otherwise worked for their wealth, rather than simply having been born to the right parents.

That's true, but won't that apply to Liu Zhongtian (the billionaire in question) too? He probably didn't start out rich, and even if he earned his wealth from this grey-area arbitrage, many rich people in the US do that too.

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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This is a simple duty arbitrage play. For anyone wondering what he actually did wrong, there are a few key points to note. Aluminum (and all materials, really) is exported and imported and duties are paid on the basis of the HS code and (if there is a trade agreement to be taken advantage of) certificates of origin (COO) along with the usual shipping docs. China is inclined to tax exports of primary aluminum because…

I'm missing the part of this scheme where you need to have a large cache of aluminum in any form to make this work. Related: The Chinese regulations on export of neodymium magnets is similarly structured. Exporting the magnets or the raw metallic ingredients is subject to high tariffs, but export of finished products using them is not. This isn't just about energy exports though, it's straight up protectionism of the…

If you're taking a protectionist view of their manufacturing business, China relaxing duties on finished goods would make sense. It's unclear (to me anyway) that that decision was made with the intent to spur raw aluminum exports vs some clever guys putting two and two together.

And yes, in case the loophole closes. These guys may have been the largest operation that some guy flew a plane over but they probably weren't the only ones.

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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And why is that a problem, exactly? In the end aluminum is fungible for aluminum, and the US is getting aluminum from Mexico under NAFTA. Trying to enforce a tariff on element production from a subset of external countries seems sisyphean.

> And why is that a problem, exactly? It says in the article: American companies are being put out of business by heavily-subsidized Chinese companies. > Trying to enforce a tariff on element production from a subset of external countries seems sisyphean. Apparently not: > The company failed to obtain NAFTA benefits after U.S. authorities concluded that the metal came from China. It helps to read the article you're c…

But there are essentially no tariffs any more. Not sure how NAFTA changed that. But assuming its true: aluminum is fungible as mentioned. Providing more to Mexico means they can export more of their own to the US.

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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One of the reader comments said: "Extradite him to the US and then prosecute him. Getting rich without any merits is horrible." and I thought: you must be new here

Really? Wouldn't you think U.S. has the lowest proportion of "rich without merits" as %age of rich of any nation in the world – and indeed in history of world?

I would think the opposite in the U.S. Surely most wealth of the top N% (for some small N) is either inherited or enabled by existing family wealth and connections. The rags-to-riches hard worker stories are outliers.

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Really? Wouldn't you think U.S. has the lowest proportion of "rich without merits" as %age of rich of any nation in the world – and indeed in history of world?

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is a totally valid point. For the downvoters: malchow's claim is that in the US, rich people are more likely to be businessmen or people who have otherwise worked for their wealth, rather than simply having been born to the right parents.

Grandparent is asserting a fact (that the US rich are probably the most historically meritous group of wealth individuals in history). It is not an intuitive fact, and it isn't presented with evidence.

There are two big issues:

* It is very hard to gut-feel wealth distribution (eg, http://marketrealist.com/2013/10/shutdown-101-perceived-weal...). Identifying who the US rich requires more study of statistics than most people have time for - so this assertion is about a group that is difficult to identify. If most of the US rich were in fact living quietly on family wealth from a generation ago, how would this be identified? How do we verify that these 'rich people' are indeed meritorious? They might not be.

* All of history is a very long time. Although the US is technologically the most advanced nation we have ever seen, to claim that it rewards the meritous more than any nation in history is probably wrong, and suggests grandparent isn't making a point based on careful thought. We have had democracy for more than 2,000 years, the US has only been around for ~300.

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A similar, and perhaps more amusing, situation happened in Canada a few years ago. We have a 245.5% import tariff on cheese (why? Because dairy farmers are more important than poor people, apparently) but there was a much lower tax on "food preparations", including packaged pizza toppings. So companies would package up "pizza topping kits" in the USA, import them to Canada as "food preparations"... and then remove th…

Isn't the whole point of free trade agreements to prevent those sorts of tariffs? Does NAFTA not cover cheese?

The host of one of my favorite podcasts once asked Milton Friedman (huge free market guy, in case someone doesn't know) what he thought of NAFTA, and Friedman said he didn't like it. Friedman said that a real free trade agreement would've been one page, rather than the pile of exemptions it turned into. Everyone with the political clout to make it to the table was able to keep their protectionism somewhat intact.

Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert

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Some (likely outdated) idea to do with treating farming capacity as a strategic reserve.

Look, in war times, we can plant potatoes in all our gardens and take our spare meadows. We don't need these farmers in peace time; we really don't. They are leeches.

Great idea! Maybe this could help Venezuala. Oh wait...
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