I'm sure this guy will just get a little slap on the wrist.
Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
41–50 of 168 posts
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#42This reminds me of the 2013 Goldman Sachs aluminum story: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/business/a-shuffle-of-alum...
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
If China is greatly subsidizing the aluminum production then then how will US producers compete? It's in the US's interests that they don't allow another country to manipulate the market to destroy the US production capacity. Once that capacity is online the foreign country can then raise prices. It's not easy or cheap to bring production capacity online.
It could be well within the Chinese government agenda to have broader control over global productive capacity. Impossible to prove, I know. Generally I'm pro-free trade, but the issue gets quite messy when you consider government subsidies. As a Canadian, this discussion comes up frequently along the lines of the subsidized agriculture sector.
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#44[0] well, they split them into several images http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-PS529_201609_G_... http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-PS530_201609_G_... http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-PS533_201609_G_... http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-PT063_201609_G_...
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#45The Chinese have hacked and stolen many of the recipes the Steel Industry has spent decades working on. It was one of the reasons Washington had to act. Now they can supply markets where their product was not within spec.
Chinese industry gets subsidized by the Chinese Government. Depending on the exact industry they get a certain percentage back on exports. It can be up to 20 % on each export dollar. I once spoke to a shop that made specialized tools for CNC and Screw Machines. The guy told me that if he had a robot that could make the tool from start to finish without anyone needing to even come to work. Just place a load of steel down in the shop and leave. When you get back in a weeks time everything will be made and packed. He still couldn't compete with the Chinese. He says their steel is subsidized, their power is subsidized, they get subsidized to export and by the time you take all the subsidies into account they are 20-30 % cheaper than he can even buy the raw material for. Then to avoid any tariffs they ship product all over the world and move it through other countries. Hence Mexico has become one of these countries, especially when it comes to all metals.
They will stop at nothing to destroy Industry in other countries. They have the support of their Government at the highest levels and are encouraged. It is what makes this difficult to police.
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#46For anyone wondering what he actually did wrong, there are a few key points to note. Aluminum (and all materials, really) is exported and imported and duties are paid on the basis of the HS code and (if there is a trade agreement to be taken advantage of) certificates of origin (COO) along with the usual shipping docs.
China is inclined to tax exports of primary aluminum because aluminum is power intensive to produce. Thus, exporting raw aluminum ingots whose production has been state subsidized is basically akin to exporting (even giving away!) power. However, China relaxed export duties on certain 'finished' aluminum products. This opened up a loophole where Chinese companies could make 'finished aluminum products' which are classified under a different HS code than primary aluminum and ship it out of the country, duty free. In reality, this meant that they sloppily made it into whatever shape wasn't ingots or T bars rather than into any concretely useful shapes.
These 'finished' products then made their way out to places like Mexico and more recently Vietnam. Since they were still carrying Chinese COOs, they couldn't be directly re-exported to the US (or any other country without a FTA with China). They needed to be remelted/recycled into 'raw aluminum' and given a new COO (or for the less scrupulous given a fake COO...), hence the need for the Mexico factory.
So...if cost to ship to Mexico + cost to extrude and remelt < difference in Chinese VS Western manufacturing costs + duties on primary aluminum ... this is a profitable (and legal) trade!
Re: Chinese Billionaire Linked to Giant Aluminum Stockpile in Mexican Desert
#47I'm sure this guy will just get a little slap on the wrist.
Sounds like he's already been hit where it hurts. If his fortune is ~$3b and the stockpile is ~$6b, then he's losing a ton of money every day to interest and opportunity cost and shipping it back to Vietnam and however much the price has fallen since he bought it all, which could be a large fraction. Given how his partners have the knives out for him, he may not even have that $3b. One can stockpile, but as always, h…