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My experience with debit card fraud has been identical to that of credit card fraud: instantly reversed charges, including (once) immediately reversed overdraft charges. What bank took 90 days to refund fraudulent purchases? I'd like to know to avoid them forever. (It's true that using a debit card means whatever checking account you used could get zeroed out; it's probably a good idea just to open a second account t…

I think it's only in the past decade or so that it was legally required to refund disputed charges within 10 days, so it could be an older story. However, lot's of banks make it really easy to overdraw funds when using a debit card. In particular the ordering of transactions can cause you to overdraw (consider charge/refund/charge when a mistake was made; the bank could order it charge/charge/refund and you are now p…

You're saying that if you had a debit card fraud incident that pushed your Chase card into overdraft, they wouldn't reverse the overdraft charge? Even Key Bank did that for me, back in 2005. I have never had a Citibank overdraft charge stick, either --- for any reason.

Have you been asking them to reverse charges? Any time I have any trouble with any account ever, I always say "can you check if this generated any overdraft charges, and if so, can you reverse them"; it seems to work.

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A big reason to buy on a credit card. I would initiate a chargeback and Dell will return the money whether they want the router back or not.

I'm not advocating to carry a balance when using credit. I pay mine off every month reaping the benefits without paying any interest.

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Dell EqualLogic™ and EqualLogic-branded products, Dell|EMC, EMC and VCE-branded products, Dell Compellent™ and Compellent-branded products, Dell KACE™ and KACE-branded products, Dell Force10™ and Force10-branded products, PowerVault ML6000 tape libraries, PowerVault DL and DR products, Dell SonicWALL™ and SonicWALL-branded products, Dell Wyse™ and Wyse-branded products, Dell Quest™, Quest™, ScriptLogic™ and VKernel™…

That's crazy. 90% of random eBay sellers take returns. I would never have expected Dell to pull shit like this.

It may be for protection of other customers. A bad actor could order some of those devices, flash the firmware with an evil version(or somehow modify it), and then send it back to dell.

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Or just don't buy Dell. Why should I have to examine every supplier's fine print to figure out whether I need to go through a reseller?

The idea is you use a reseller for all your products, they manage the relationship with the manufacturer or publisher and work to get you the best price/service. If you have doubts about using a "middle man" keep them honest with a 2nd or 3rd quote, sometimes direct every now and then. But working with one rep for all your products can be a huge boon to doing business in savings of money and time. Disclaimer: I work…

Not a VAR of Dell, I assume.

We tried getting a second quote, and the VAR said: "Dell tells us you are already speaking to another VAR about this equipment, so they won't supply us a quote."

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I can relate to Dell shady tactics and deceit. I too was a big fan of Dell products and recommended them plenty over the many years. Black Friday 2015 I got wind of Dell having a great deal on Xbox "bundle". I waited all day for the timing to be right so I could order it when it went live.

When it finally arrived at my house, I was missing several items that were part of the "bundle" I paid for. I was Missing the headset as well as the extra controller and free game they advertised. Calling their support was an exercise in patience as it turned into a debate about what I ordered. Dell had purposely sent the included receipt with tactically chosen wording that I had just ordered a normal Xbox bundle they always sold. A classic bait-n-switch.

I had an argument with the support person about that being wrong yet they insisted, DESPITE my time/date of order showing to purposely take advantage of the BF deal and a screen shot of my order. They still fought it as the included receipt was their trump card. So basically all a company has to do is fix the sent receipt and change the order wording and there is no defense for being taken advantage of? I was livid.

A quick search of the net found out I wasn't alone in this bat/switch Xbox bundle BF deal. Eventually they gave in to the headset and sent me a Dell gift card for the amount to order a headset through them. This was now further proof I had ordered a SPECIAL BF deal as they admitted it by comping the headset. But they still would not budge on the extra controller or the free game.

I decided to try and stick it to them instead for their deceptive tactics and issued a complaint with my credit card for not getting what I paid for. I filed for full amount of purchase of the BF deal and explained what happened to my CC company. They mentioned they had similar complaint already about same thing for someone else. So I did a chargeback. Not intending to get free Xbox but rather try to scare Dell to just make good.

Months went by and I find out Dell fought it, as expected. Dell now was offering me a full refund and to send everything back. I was ready to do just that and buy from elsewhere now BUT, get this, Dell said I had to pay for return shipping! So now instead of getting everything I paid for, they now expect me to be OUT $30 to ship it back with now NOTHING to show for.

So that is where it ended. I gave up. I wasn't getting the advertised controller or free game and just wasn't going to be -$30 at this point for nothing than to prove a point. So I kept the Xbox, paid for it and just accepted Dell has now become a piece of shit company. And I will NEVER buy or recommend to anyone, including many clients, Dell or anything the sell again.

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Seriously, Dell has no excuse for how ridiculously buried this information is. Let's take these terms and stick them where they actually belong, right next to all the other crap they make me agree to EVERY time I purchase something: http://i.imgur.com/MTOujSd.jpg Was that so hard, Dell? Was it?

Well, let's be honest - Dell has no excuse for not allowing returns on these items. That's unbelievable, tbh. One of the reasons I buy most of this kind of stuff from Amazon.

How is it even legal? Consumer protection laws are a thing in tons of countries specifically to stop companies exploiting people with eg, unfair refund policies... Steam/Valve recently learned that the hard way in Australia, Apple in Europe etc.

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That's crazy. 90% of random eBay sellers take returns. I would never have expected Dell to pull shit like this.

It may be for protection of other customers. A bad actor could order some of those devices, flash the firmware with an evil version(or somehow modify it), and then send it back to dell.

(Shrug) So send it back to the factory for reconditioning. Charge the customer a reasonable restocking fee to cover the associated costs, if it happens enough to be a problem.

What? The factory can't restore the firmware to as-new condition? That's a bit of a problem in itself, isn't it?

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You are so right! In the early days (1960s/1970s), credit card companies welcomed (perhaps even sponsored? I don't remember) the legislated responsibility for risk because it encouraged the uptake of credit cards. Nowadays, of course, almost everyone has a card and almost every merchant needs to take them. So the card cartels were able to shift part of the burden onto the merchants, and in particular the smaller ones…

If you pay your bill on time each month, you'll also never accrue interest. You don't need to waste time sending them a payment every day.

this was to address a concern someone had that a CC makes it hard for them to manage their finances. So the idea is to make the CC basically a proxy for their checkbook, so they could get the benefits of cash/checking in contexts where a card was required -- an avoid getting screwed by the debit card rules.

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I sympathise, and I appreciate someone raising awareness of the situation. Perhaps the negative attention will prompt Dell to review this policy. That said, is it really normal to expect to be able to return a non-faulty product once it's shipped, or unreasonable of Dell to refuse such returns if they don't want to sell on that basis? In my country (the UK) there are consumer protection laws that include various righ…

Well said!

Clearly there are cultural differences in expectations here. I respect the way it works in the US, but i personally like the UK approach explained eloquently above, as I get just enough protection and no more.

Avoiding being (indirectly) exposed to the other customers' fickle ordering with scant attention seems a good thing to me (not that I'm implying this occurred in this case, I see this was a genuine mistake). I'm sure some will say that a big company can swallow the costs, but clearly that money has to come from somewhere and it's from prices higher than they would otherwise be, passed on to everyone.

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It's not just bad business practice. At the company I work at, our anecdotal experience with Sonicwall products has just been shitty. You buy a router and you still need to pay extra to activate advanced features. What a shitty product. In contrast, we bought a whole bunch of Mikrotik's RouterBoards, they're really inexpensive and come with really powerful features that you don't need to pay extra for. We're starting…

Mikrotiks are remarkably powerful if you have knowledge and are willing and able to configure them properly. They are rock-solid routers with a great feature set, and we use them at almost all of our customers (except ones where we still haven't replaced older routers). Sonicwalls have a comparable feature set for hardware and basic networking, but also add the ability to do some UTM on the device - things like conte…

>They are rock-solid routers

They are not rock-solid routers and frequently ship buggy releases, especially if you are using advanced features or their wireless offerings. They are great, they have a ton of powerful features, but don't use them unless you plan to spend time maintaining them and learning a lot about them.

Manipulating their firewall rules is also a really cool way to intro yourself to iptables concepts.

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