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Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#91
Possible interpretation:

Not enough people are trying risky entrepreneurial things; the market is begging us to quit our jobs and try more startups.

In other words, productivity gains are meaning that the world is saving too much money, and we need fewer workers and more explorers.

Alternate: Wages should be raised across the board.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#92
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

whatever that means I believe the notion of artificially low/high rates actually does have a precise meaning. If banks freely set rates as players in a competitive market based on prevailing inflation rates, demand for money, etc, that would be the "market rate" of money. "Artificially low" rates would be those rates set centrally which are lower than what the market rate would be in a competitive rate market. Now it…

> If banks freely set rates as players in a competitive market based on prevailing inflation rates, demand for money, etc, that would be the "market rate" of money. But, they do. Of course, "inflation rate" is in large part a product of monetary policy. > Now it very well may be that zero would be the market rate of money, and the Fed is doing a great job of estimating it. The Fed sets interest rate targets , and the…

>But, they do.

Exactly. The Fed has very few mechanisms by which to inject money in the economy. Nothing they do dictates interest rates, but they can influence specific rates through open market operations. But you (and the banks) are free to charge whatever rate you want.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#93

The financial problems originated with excess debt, but debts that are so large that they cannot be paid back - will not be paid back. Inflating assets via QE doesn't really address the real underlying problem. The only long-term solution I have seen is Debt for Equity swaps. It won't work everywhere, but it does help. For example, when the Banks were technically insolvent then the opportunity should have been taken…

>The financial problems originated with excess debt, but debts that are so large that they cannot be paid back - will not be paid back.

So in other words, you believe that financial problems are caused by too many assets? Because that's how a balance sheet works.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#94

The financial problems originated with excess debt, but debts that are so large that they cannot be paid back - will not be paid back. Inflating assets via QE doesn't really address the real underlying problem. The only long-term solution I have seen is Debt for Equity swaps. It won't work everywhere, but it does help. For example, when the Banks were technically insolvent then the opportunity should have been taken…

banks issued equity and preferred equity to the tune of many many tens of billions during the crisis. revisionist class warfare stuff i strange (as a first hand participant): the bailout of wall street banks was critical for the economic well-being of EVERYBODY not just "the rich", and it's the main reason obama and democrats (who wanted it as opposed to the republicans who didn't) swept the elections.

Not to mention that equity holders in both Lehman and Bear Stearns were wiped out.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

another way to think about high asset prices is fear of owning currency. it's not irrational given the willingness of central banks to debase money.

If that were the case (central banks debasing money), you'd see high interest rates. You'd also see inflation in goods, not just high prices in financial assets. When people talk about central banks "debasing" currency because of QE, they miss one thing: Something in the neighborhood of one trillion dollars evaporated in 2008. That's the kind of thing that can lead to a significant deflationary mess. The central bank…

you don't see high interest rates because the banks are undermining the currency by buying their own debt (lowering their interest rates).

not sure what the rest of your post is addressing. i'm familiar with deflation.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#96
There has been substantial asset inflation, the cost of housing, health care, education, child care are all through the roof, and really there is substantial inflation in necessities too. Yet wages are largely stagnant, and people can still buy cheap junk at Walmart, so officially inflation is called low.

Like all bubbles, it will eventually correct. It could be soon, it could be years away. We may be stuck in secular stagnation with high asset inflation for a long time. Who really knows? That there has been so much intervention from central banks, with ZIRP and NIRP policy being the new norm, should make everyone a bit nervous. We are in uncharted waters.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#97

So, the article says dotcoms caused first bubble in 2000, houses in 2008, but this one is driven by central banks printing money. And there is no way they will stop printing so this is an infinite bubble There is sooo much wrong with that. As @rtpg says, that s stops not when Fed stops printing money but when market realises that the high asset prices "globally" become obviously unsustainable. The issue is that when…

>And there is no way they will stop printing

Why would the Central Bank stop printing money? As long as inflation is in control, can you point to the harm?

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#98
post #56

According to the OP, we have a global "central-bank-led cash bubble" powered by "an ever flowing money hose." If you believe interest rates are being kept "artificially low" (whatever that means) by the "money printing" of central banks like the Federal Reserve and the Bank of Japan, then you will agree with the OP. In this view of the world, central banks are contributing to our current economic malaise: by keeping…

I believe this is a generation thing. Generation Y grew up with so many crisis and terror attacks, its just naturally everyone is hording their cash. Also a lot of people want to stay independent and mobile so they are not (yet) settling down.

Uh, historically the last 40 years have been pretty good. Sure it is worse than some of the years before that (but we did not have to go to 'nam so there is that). But historically you can't say Generation Y have had many crisis and terror attacks. Think about people born 1900-1910, they had two world wars to survive!

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were the case (central banks debasing money), you'd see high interest rates. You'd also see inflation in goods, not just high prices in financial assets. When people talk about central banks "debasing" currency because of QE, they miss one thing: Something in the neighborhood of one trillion dollars evaporated in 2008. That's the kind of thing that can lead to a significant deflationary mess. The central bank…

you don't see high interest rates because the banks are undermining the currency by buying their own debt (lowering their interest rates). not sure what the rest of your post is addressing. i'm familiar with deflation.

> you don't see high interest rates because the banks are undermining the currency by buying their own debt (lowering their interest rates).

True - or at least, it was true. Currently the Fed is not buying additional debt. The amount that they hold might distort the market, but at least they aren't adding any additional distortion to it.

> not sure what the rest of your post is addressing. i'm familiar with deflation.

It's addressing the term "debase". If a trillion dollars evaporated, creating a new trillion dollars isn't debasing the currency, it's restoring the status quo ante.

Re: This Bubble's Got Legs

#100
I keep seeing discussions about high-value neighborhoods full of empty homes. The homes are purchased purely as a way to hold value.

Vancouver and London are examples that I've heard of.

Sounds like a big clue to me!

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