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Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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A lot of the discussion around this seems to focus on football, but that's just the easily-measurable proxy for a bad mood the authors found. Presumably an argument with a spouse, a poker game loss, a parking ticket, or a bad interaction with a coffee clerk would have the same effect. It's disheartening that justice is so capricious, but setting sentences through the legislature seems even more fraught. I don't have…

The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. For example, sending a drug addict to prison for 10 years doesn't do anything to alleviate the harm of the crime, and in fact is harmful in and of itself, just in a different way. The law needs to maintain a much closer balance between hurting people and helping people. While hurting criminals does have a deterrent f…

> The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment.

What's the repair/punishment for me smoking a joint on my front porch?

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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A lot of the discussion around this seems to focus on football, but that's just the easily-measurable proxy for a bad mood the authors found. Presumably an argument with a spouse, a poker game loss, a parking ticket, or a bad interaction with a coffee clerk would have the same effect. It's disheartening that justice is so capricious, but setting sentences through the legislature seems even more fraught. I don't have…

It doesn't even take a specific event. Don't go in front of a judge just before lunch as their hunger can influence their decisions, likely not in your favor.

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110411/full/news.2011.227.ht...

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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Once had the very surreal experience while in court waiting to litigate a case to object to a higher court's jurisdiction over a case; my motion was granted, and the case was sent to the lower court. While waiting for the above motion to be heard for over an hour, the person directly behind me was calling how the judge would respond to various matters that required the judge's opinion. Having nothing to do, since mob…

I was under the impression that you only have multiple courts review a case when the case is appealed. Wouldn't cases that are appealed be biased in favor of unpredictability by the fact that people believed they could be reversed?

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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post #61

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The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. For example, sending a drug addict to prison for 10 years doesn't do anything to alleviate the harm of the crime, and in fact is harmful in and of itself, just in a different way. The law needs to maintain a much closer balance between hurting people and helping people. While hurting criminals does have a deterrent f…

> The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. What's the repair/punishment for me smoking a joint on my front porch?

Repair is only applicable when there is victim. The other point is that certain acts can not be meaningfully repaired/repaid within our current societal context. I.e. How do you measure the repayment or actions-required to repair a life that is taken by someone?

I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. Yet, keeping someone locked up in an unproductive cage, to watch them wither away is somehow "rehabilitating" them. It's not, it's punishing them, it's revenge.

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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Indeed other research has indicated that lots of factors can affect a judge's decisions. http://www.pnas.org/content/108/17/6889.full A panel of judges would be one approach. Perhaps judges could be made aware of what the average penalty is for similar cases and that would give them an easier anchor for their decision.

The Danziger study assumed that the order in which the parolees appeared was random, which turned out not to be the case: "Danziger et al. (1) concluded that meal breaks taken by Israeli parole boards influence the boards’ decisions. This conclusion depends on the order of cases being random or at least exogenous to the timing of meal breaks. . . [But] case ordering is not random ...the board tries to complete all ca…

Note that there is a reply to that letter: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198336/

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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Have you ever had to deal with the system on any level?

Yes, have you?

Yeap.

My experiences have been pretty positive in that I was able to avoid jail time or anything going on my record that I would have to explain to a potential employer.

For the minor stuff I've been to court on that I handled myself, I've always gone in a suit and tie and been very respectful to the DA. Both times, he basically put me on probation and then told me to get out of his court.

The other times I've been to court and required an attorney, I took the financial hit in order to avoid having to go through the system. Again, every time I was able to get out unscathed. I had decent attorneys that were able to make deals with the DA's for reduced sentencing, longer probation, etc. Everything was usually done before I actually had to appear in court.

So shy of being incarcerated and having to go through the system (arrest, posting bail, court appearance, and having to serve jail time) I've had fairly positive experiences.

You?

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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post #64
post #61

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> The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. What's the repair/punishment for me smoking a joint on my front porch?

Repair is only applicable when there is victim. The other point is that certain acts can not be meaningfully repaired/repaid within our current societal context. I.e. How do you measure the repayment or actions-required to repair a life that is taken by someone? I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. Yet, keeping someone locked up in…

> Yet, keeping someone locked up in an unproductive cage, to watch them wither away is somehow "rehabilitating" them.

I don't think most people claim its rehabilitation. I think the "rehabilitation" angle is political word play and would bet that most people who support harsh prison sentences see it (and support it) as punishment.

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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post #64
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. What's the repair/punishment for me smoking a joint on my front porch?

Repair is only applicable when there is victim. The other point is that certain acts can not be meaningfully repaired/repaid within our current societal context. I.e. How do you measure the repayment or actions-required to repair a life that is taken by someone? I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. Yet, keeping someone locked up in…

Many Prisoners are used as a source of virtually free labor already. Unfortunately this is being done as exploitation, without regard to how it may help or harm the prisoners used.

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. For example, sending a drug addict to prison for 10 years doesn't do anything to alleviate the harm of the crime, and in fact is harmful in and of itself, just in a different way. The law needs to maintain a much closer balance between hurting people and helping people. While hurting criminals does have a deterrent f…

> The solution is restorative justice, where the focus is on repairing the harm rather than punishment. What's the repair/punishment for me smoking a joint on my front porch?

growing a new plant to replace the one you burned.

Re: Louisiana Judges Issue Harsher Sentences When the LSU Football Team Loses

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It's also proven that judges make harsher sentences just before the lunchtime. (Because they're hungry)

The study that suggested (not proven) that was found to have some flaws: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12463053
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