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If you took AP history they went through Regan.
What year?
2002 2003? early part of 2000s
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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#162If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…
For many users, abandoning Facebook is like abandoning the web. So no matter what shit Facebook will pull they're not gonna leave, unless something better appears. From the other hand, this whole situation is a bit ludicrous. The journalist doesn't seem to understand how Facebook works and is directly attacking Zuckerberg like he explicitly asked to remove the picture. Come on guys, it's just an algorithm that detect…
Or the journalist understand that it is automatic, but does not want a society where algorithms blindly determine what is allowed or not. After all "it's the algorithms" is a very convenient excuse for Facebook that allows them to be a faceless entity beyond criticism. It is Facebook that decide which algorithm they use to censor content, and they have chosen a rather prude set of policies they think will avoid offending anyone in any culture, and are very quick to remove controversial content. This is something Facebook have chosen to do, and to little degree something that is enforced on them.
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"Most American students learned about it and knew that picture..." I'm 38: We didn't learn much about the Vietnam war, honestly. The sections on everything from the 50's onward were very short, and sometimes glossed over due to time constraints. I think we had one teacher tell us that it was simply because not enough time had passed since it happened, which always seemed ridiculous to me. It is kinda like we knew it…
49 here, and High-school history class 'finished' not much past WWII/Korean War era. Very little if any touching of the Vietnam war. And at that time it was the same reason. End of school year arrived, and that was as far forward in time as the teacher had achieved. And so that was that.
I'm 48, Italy, and I know about the Vietnam War but not because of school. Same problems you experienced.
I have few memories of it from TV news back then. I remember katyusha missile launchers firing and general happiness when the war was over. But many movies kept remembering everybody about that war. I read books, visited the memorial in Washington when I was there on vacation. I browsed wikipedia in the last years. I studied many wars at school (European history is pretty long) but I know less about most of them than about the Vietnam War. It's pretty easy to get informed even if school didn't care much about that war when we were little. Same about the Korean War.
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#164If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…
For many users, abandoning Facebook is like abandoning the web. So no matter what shit Facebook will pull they're not gonna leave, unless something better appears. From the other hand, this whole situation is a bit ludicrous. The journalist doesn't seem to understand how Facebook works and is directly attacking Zuckerberg like he explicitly asked to remove the picture. Come on guys, it's just an algorithm that detect…
Man I hope something better comes along.
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Actually it's child violence . The nudity is incidental.
All the messages from Facebook seem pretty clear that it's the nudity in the image that's the problem. Have you seen something else from Facebook claiming it's the violence? EDIT: Here's the orignal post, which contains an image from Facebook. http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/Dear-Mark-I-am-... That image says: > We place limitations on the display of nudity to limit the exposure of the different people u…
Nudity is far easier to be identified algorithmically than violence.
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#166If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…
But, I'll need something else to replace it with. Even if we ignore the network effect, it will be owned by some other corporation whose policies I'll not agree with. A govt owned will be worse for simple reasons. Do we have truly free system which is open, easy to use and still safe enough to let a 13 year old to use it.
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#167It would be neat to have a decentralized social network simply to avoid the editorial demands of the walled garden. I think we'd have a lot more unsavory content making its way to people's eyes though. There'd need to be more sophisticated ways of filtering information than just "unfriend", I suppose. And people would need to have tougher skins for it to work.
We had a decentralized social network called the web (or I suppose blogs if you want to think of it at a more granular level). Facebook won.
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"Most American students learned about it and knew that picture..." I'm 38: We didn't learn much about the Vietnam war, honestly. The sections on everything from the 50's onward were very short, and sometimes glossed over due to time constraints. I think we had one teacher tell us that it was simply because not enough time had passed since it happened, which always seemed ridiculous to me. It is kinda like we knew it…
If you took AP history they went through Regan.
You must have missed that class, because his name is Reagan. :)
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#169If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…
There's no need to jump straight to closing your account. There's a wide range of escalating actions you can take when companies dissatisfy you. Going straight to firing a company every time there's a problem doesn't really help.
Facebook absolutely cares how you feel when you use their service, because certain feelings are associated with less engagement (and thus less revenue) or people quitting the service. Expressing your dissatisfaction to them is a way to let them know that you're moving in that direction.
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It's worth noting that the freedom of expression is generally believed to apply more broadly than just to governments. For example, from the UN Declaration of Universal Human Rights, Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontier…
Sarcastically, I ask you: I would like to express myself by spray-painting swastikas on the side of your house. Is that protected? I would expect not, but that means there's a line somewhere. Where is it?
Sure as hell not even close to that famous photo.