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Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by jackmaney »

lsiunsuex wrote: post #2

I'm all for cursing in private conversation with friends and such when it's appropriate - but why do people continue to think it's acceptable in public examples of work? Will this go on someone's resume like this? What will an employer think? I'm not questioning freedom of speech or self expression or anything like that. I'm simply saying, if you build a tool / live example / whatever and intend to show it to people…

I know that this may come as a shock, but the internet wasn't built entirely for five-year-olds.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by tokensimian »

Brendinooo wrote: post #44
executesorder66 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And many others will think you are immature if you get butthurt or offended every time someone says a bad word. We are not 5 years old. Deal with it.

1) It's interesting to me that some people here are treating the right to be profane as some kind of moral absolute, in the exact manner that people who are against profanity often do. 2) Can you think of an example where some kind of language is offensive to you but not to someone else? If so, I hope you'd be able to relate to people you disagree with on this issue instead of denigrating them. 3) If a 5-year-old was…

1) put another way, people against profanity are trying to control what other individuals say. People into the right to be profane are expressing their freedom to swear.

2) I cannot. I can be offended by things people say, but language itself is not offensive.

3) No, it's not my responsibility to censor myself to support archaic beliefs about other people's children.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by majewsky »

executesorder66 wrote: post #38
lsiunsuex wrote: post #2

I'm all for cursing in private conversation with friends and such when it's appropriate - but why do people continue to think it's acceptable in public examples of work? Will this go on someone's resume like this? What will an employer think? I'm not questioning freedom of speech or self expression or anything like that. I'm simply saying, if you build a tool / live example / whatever and intend to show it to people…

> What will an employer think? Makes me think this conversation from a while ago at my work: CIO - It's okay to swear in commit messages. Lead Programmer - Yeah, I'm just deciding between shit and crap.

In company-internal commit messages, I wouldn't mind if people swear. But they shouldn't do so in commits to open-source projects, where the whole world might get to see their writings.

Unless, of course, they include the obligatory disclaimer that "my swear words are not necessarily those of my employer". :)

Frequent open-source involvement is also the reason why I won't ever swear in commit messages. The closest thing is that I put "I'm stupid" as commit message whenever I have to fix up a typo or obvious slip from the previous commit.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by czep »

kaoD wrote: post #50
Brendinooo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is free to do as he/she wishes, but when I see profanity in the title I'm much less inclined to click on it. I wonder if I'm an anomaly and no one else cares, if other people feel the same way as I do, or if for every person like me, there's someone who is more inclined to click because they saw a swear word?

I couldn't fucking care less ;) Now seriously, it's probably due to cultural differences. Is profanity that frowned upon on the US (or wherever you're from)? It's surprising how sensitive the US is towards profanity for a country where "fuck" is used extensively in media. I literally didn't think anything about the domain but it's probably because lighthearted profanity is much more pervasive in my culture, where it'…

> Why would it make you less inclined to click on it? Genuinely curious.

It's not that I'm, gasp! offended, by the use of a "dirty word", but rather that this kind of gratuitous swearing seems designed purely to make the website somehow appear "cooler" than it would otherwise be with a simple boring name.

Personally, I don't buy it. To me, it simply makes the author appear juvenile, decidedly un-professional, caring more about appearance than substance. It is exactly the kind of childish stunt I would expect from the "brogrammer" crowd. It's fucking embarrassing already!

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by Brendinooo »

kaoD wrote: post #50
Brendinooo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is free to do as he/she wishes, but when I see profanity in the title I'm much less inclined to click on it. I wonder if I'm an anomaly and no one else cares, if other people feel the same way as I do, or if for every person like me, there's someone who is more inclined to click because they saw a swear word?

I couldn't fucking care less ;) Now seriously, it's probably due to cultural differences. Is profanity that frowned upon on the US (or wherever you're from)? It's surprising how sensitive the US is towards profanity for a country where "fuck" is used extensively in media. I literally didn't think anything about the domain but it's probably because lighthearted profanity is much more pervasive in my culture, where it'…

Profanity is a tough issue because it's so cultural. A great example is the word 'suck' - it's pretty well accepted in the vernacular today when expressing 'very bad', but I remember my 8th-grade English teacher (an older lady) talking about how she'd prefer if we didn't use it. It used to have sexual connotations, moreso than it does today. Same deal with my wife's grandmother: that word will get you a glare if you're not talking about what a vacuum cleaner does.

So it's a weird feedback loop - if words aren't deemed to be profane, no one thinks twice about them. If words are deemed to be profane, some people will ban them, which makes other people not use them just because they're not supposed to be used.

Censorship can actually propagate profanity, in this sense. As language changes, words can become unacceptable (How many Richards are using the common nickname these days? Would you use the three-letter British term for a cigarette anymore?) or acceptable (apparently 'leg' and 'bull' were frowned upon in Victorian times).

I'm aware of all this. And, to be honest, I'm not as offended as my comments probably make me out to be. I usually just pass this stuff by, but since someone had already commented I figured I'd chime in as well.

For me, there are words that I don't want to say for cultural reasons, so I follow the 'you are what you eat' principle. If I don't saturate myself with language that I don't want to use, I'm less likely to use it. Also, there are often times when I find that stronger language is reflective of attitudes that I don't want to have. So I wouldn't replace 'suck' with 'stink' when I want to express that someone isn't good at something; rather, I'd try to phrase my criticism in a more constructive way.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by kaoD »

czep wrote: post #55
kaoD wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't fucking care less ;) Now seriously, it's probably due to cultural differences. Is profanity that frowned upon on the US (or wherever you're from)? It's surprising how sensitive the US is towards profanity for a country where "fuck" is used extensively in media. I literally didn't think anything about the domain but it's probably because lighthearted profanity is much more pervasive in my culture, where it'…

> Why would it make you less inclined to click on it? Genuinely curious. It's not that I'm, gasp! offended, by the use of a "dirty word", but rather that this kind of gratuitous swearing seems designed purely to make the website somehow appear "cooler" than it would otherwise be with a simple boring name. Personally, I don't buy it. To me, it simply makes the author appear juvenile, decidedly un-professional, caring…

Ah, I see what you mean. Same thing happens to me when someone tries to be clever with sexual innuendo, it's just cringeworthy.

Well, I though the title was trying to be juvenile (and definitely didn't strive for professionalism) on purpose. I took it less seriously than I would've otherwise but not to the point of making me less inclined to click it... I thought that's what the author meant to do, signal that the tool is just a toy/experiment and nothing too serious.

We don't have brogrammers around so definitely cultural differences :P

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by tammer »

I want something like that's halfway between links/w3m & readability/reader view - basically a version of readability that's an actual browser.

Maybe one day lightweight design will be trendy.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by Brendinooo »

tokensimian wrote: post #53
Brendinooo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) It's interesting to me that some people here are treating the right to be profane as some kind of moral absolute, in the exact manner that people who are against profanity often do. 2) Can you think of an example where some kind of language is offensive to you but not to someone else? If so, I hope you'd be able to relate to people you disagree with on this issue instead of denigrating them. 3) If a 5-year-old was…

1) put another way, people against profanity are trying to control what other individuals say. People into the right to be profane are expressing their freedom to swear. 2) I cannot. I can be offended by things people say, but language itself is not offensive. 3) No, it's not my responsibility to censor myself to support archaic beliefs about other people's children.

1) Interesting. So you unequivocally support people's rights to say anything they want in the public square? Racial or homophobic slurs are okay, anti-climate change rhetoric, all of it? You may very well be consistent in this way, but I think that most people have something they're uncomfortable with other people saying, and while they wouldn't legislate against it, they'd certainly vote with their wallet or attention.

2) Functionally, this seems like a distinction without a difference. If you disagree, please elaborate as I'd like to understand more.

3) In other words, swearing is a moral issue, and your moral code is superior?

For what it's worth, I agree with you to a certain extent - people need to learn to not be offended at the slightest thing. Thick skins are good, because controlling how you react to the world around you is generally way better than trying to control the world around you. And you'll hopefully note that I never said that the site should be banned for profanity or something like that - just that I prefer not to visit such a site.

I don't think this is a zero-sum game. If I know that someone might be offended by something I say, I can make the choice to modify my rhetoric to accommodate them, or keep my speech the same because I believe that offending someone else is worth what I have to say. How that plays out practically will be different in different situations.

Re: Turns websites into Markdown

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Post by nsxwolf »

kaoD wrote: post #50
Brendinooo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is free to do as he/she wishes, but when I see profanity in the title I'm much less inclined to click on it. I wonder if I'm an anomaly and no one else cares, if other people feel the same way as I do, or if for every person like me, there's someone who is more inclined to click because they saw a swear word?

I couldn't fucking care less ;) Now seriously, it's probably due to cultural differences. Is profanity that frowned upon on the US (or wherever you're from)? It's surprising how sensitive the US is towards profanity for a country where "fuck" is used extensively in media. I literally didn't think anything about the domain but it's probably because lighthearted profanity is much more pervasive in my culture, where it'…

It depends on situational context for me. I like it just fine when my friends swear, but if I don't know you I find it really off-putting. I definitely don't like it in a professional context. 15th anniversary of 9/11 is in 2 days, and I hope Obama doesn't say "What a shitty fucking morning that was", etc.
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