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Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by jeremiep »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #28

If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…

It would take hundred of thousands of people to make a dent in Facebook that way.

Having a handful of people in the right committees will have a much, much bigger impact than years of dissatisfied users ever will.

(Same goes for manifestations and every other mass movements)

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Post by throwanem »

794CD01 wrote: post #115
untog wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What human rights are being violated in this scenario, exactly?

The comment I initially replied to asked for >pass laws restricting what media organisations can or cannot do in the context of mandating that they publish speech they disagree with.

Facebook is human?

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Post by ISL »

soylentcola wrote: post #52
wonks wrote: post #3

I feel like this is a good argument for taking another look at projects like Diaspora and Friendica Red

As much as I'd love to see some alternative to Facebook that provides generally the same basic features (easy sharing of original content and links/reposted media with a large group of contacts) I feel that they'll all face the same issues for the foreseeable future. Same issue with the ones you mentioned or even ones like G+ that are backed by another big player: critical mass of users combined with no standardized…

As I understand it, the core difficulty is that FB does not make it easy to export your friends list.

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Post by nekopa »

talmand wrote: post #97
cjslep wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember watching Airplane! and seeing boobs go by during the freak-out scene. And that was rated PG at the time I think?

At the time there was a huge distance between PG and R since there was no PG-13. It was likely judged as not gratuitous.

I think the Airplane scene was completely gratuitous :)

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by thr0waway1239 »

If you want something from FB: its reach, you need to play by its rules, however arbitrary they may be. If you wish to change the laws of physics, go and get yourself your own planet. It is much easier in this case: just choose a different forum.

Having said that, this incident should teach Norwegians (and the countrymen of any country) a thing or two about where they stand on the totem pole of power.

Facebook > Every other country on the planet

Facebook is a country because it is acts as an independent sovereign state which is not answerable to anyone at this point. Apparently, it already makes up its own taxation laws[1]. I expect them to release their own flag, maybe a national anthem?

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/07/29/face...

But of the many truly troubling things I see with FB's policies - their alarming intrusiveness and ruthless exploitation of our need for being social, choosing its own censorship policy is not one of them, especially if it is consistent. I would rather see them made answerable to privacy violations.

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Post by mabbo »

falcolas wrote: post #118
mabbo wrote: post #21

I'm torn. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression mean that the government can't put you in prison or punish you for saying or believing what you do. Facebook aren't the government, they're a private entity and don't have to host anything they don't like- including hosting photos that they don't like. It's a walled garden, and it's their walled garden, and if you don't like it you're welcome to leave. And on the…

It's worth noting that the freedom of expression is generally believed to apply more broadly than just to governments. For example, from the UN Declaration of Universal Human Rights, Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontier…

Sarcastically, I ask you: I would like to express myself by spray-painting swastikas on the side of your house. Is that protected?

I would expect not, but that means there's a line somewhere. Where is it?

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Post by codingmyway »

I can accept why they need to draw a line on naked child images and be done with it. Like most silicon valley companies they want everything automating with as little human customer service as possible.

However if they aren't going to do that job of editorial then they need to stop trying to be a news source while abdicating any responsibility that entails by saying they are a tech company.

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Post by jMyles »

red_admiral wrote: post #45
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #28

If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…

No. It's more effective to lobby your local member of parliament/congress to pass laws restricting what media organisations can or cannot do. Granted, by "more effective" I mean something like 0.1% instead of 0.01%, but it's worth a try.

It may be "more effective" to implore the government to crack down on media policies you don't like, but it's also as much a threat to free expression as Facebook's ridiculous and overt censorship of this image.

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Post by sctb »

794CD01 wrote: post #46

Just because that is theoretically more effective doesn't mean you should do it. Assassinating Mark Zuckerberg might even approach a whole 1%, it's still not something we should be encouraging.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12462134 and marked it off-topic.
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