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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find interesting is that, de facto , global services like Facebook, are following and imposing to the rest of world the American cultural norms. It could have been a worse country, but that is a new twist on soft power (or at least in a new medium and in a new form).

Yeah because all of Europe sucks at making good web tech for some reason. Seriously - look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites Edit: Downvote all you want. I'll redact my statement if someone can show me that Europe does not suck at making web tech. But you can't, because Europe is not competitive in the web tech…

Apart from the Web itself being invented by a European at a European research center?

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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I feel like this is a good argument for taking another look at projects like Diaspora and Friendica Red

As much as I'd love to see some alternative to Facebook that provides generally the same basic features (easy sharing of original content and links/reposted media with a large group of contacts) I feel that they'll all face the same issues for the foreseeable future.

Same issue with the ones you mentioned or even ones like G+ that are backed by another big player: critical mass of users combined with no standardized protocol.

I've made the analogy plenty of times before but basically I compare and contrast with email, another service where you can "roll your own" but most general users just stick with a service, either paid or ad-funded, from another company. The thing with email is that it can be 2001 and you're happily using your @aol.com email account but down the line you decide to switch over to Yahoo. Then maybe later you switch to Hotmail and later still, to Gmail. All of those switches are up to the user and nothing stops you from even setting up your own email server if you have the desire.

Regardless, none of the people you email need to do anything or change anything. And it's a good thing too because it would suck if in order to move off AOL or Yahoo you need to convince every one of your friends, relatives, business contacts, and potential email recipients to switch over as well. It might be feasible to get that 5% of your "techie" friends to switch services based solely on some new feature or whatever but you won't have much luck getting Aunt Mabel, your kid's 2nd grade teacher, your barber, or your potential clients to all switch over to some new UI and remember some new account address.

But since email is based on a common protocol it doesn't matter. No matter how popular one provider is, you can switch to any other one and not lose the ability to email. Contrast this with centralized social media and you're basically screwed if you want to switch to another one.

This really struck home when G+ came out. I found it to be a better Facebook for the most part. Faster mobile app, more granular sharing permissions, no stupid game/app spam, better media hosting, and better text/video chat. Maybe 10 of the people I generally connect with on social media felt the same way but the other couple hundred in my friends/contact list? They found it annoying to learn a new interface or they weren't already using Gmail so they'd need to sign up for another account or they just didn't like something else about it.

And that's legit. Variety in services means there will be preferences. But in this case it didn't matter because the end result was the same: unless everyone moved over to G+ (or Diaspora or whatever) en masse, you'd either be cutting off contact with most of your list or you'd be maintaining multiple profiles and sharing links and pics on two sites.

So G+ only got used for more specific groups and niche interests while Facebook kept more general social networking. And now Google seems tired of trying to build a better Facebook and is de-Plus-ifying most of their services. I seriously wonder how anyone will conceivably succeed at this where massive companies like Google can't pull it off.

Instead, just as centralized social media replaced mass email chains for most people, I don't see Facebook going anywhere until something entirely different (not just new and improved) comes along and grabs mass user attention in the same way.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.

I remember watching Airplane! and seeing boobs go by during the freak-out scene. And that was rated PG at the time I think?

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find interesting is that, de facto , global services like Facebook, are following and imposing to the rest of world the American cultural norms. It could have been a worse country, but that is a new twist on soft power (or at least in a new medium and in a new form).

Yeah because all of Europe sucks at making good web tech for some reason. Seriously - look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites Edit: Downvote all you want. I'll redact my statement if someone can show me that Europe does not suck at making web tech. But you can't, because Europe is not competitive in the web tech…

I don't think you belong here.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Just because that is theoretically more effective doesn't mean you should do it. Assassinating Mark Zuckerberg might even approach a whole 1%, it's still not something we should be encouraging.

I can see a difference between encouraging you to petition your member of parliament, and encouraging you to assassinate someone.

To start with, one of the two options is legal.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.

What I find interesting is that, de facto , global services like Facebook, are following and imposing to the rest of world the American cultural norms. It could have been a worse country, but that is a new twist on soft power (or at least in a new medium and in a new form).

Not only American norms.

For instance, some critics of extremist Islamic ideas are regularly banned in Facebook because their posts are reported as islamophobic (even if they themselves might be Muslims). This is not an American norm.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Any centralized social network is subject to moderation because if it's centralized, it can be attacked, fined or shut down by a court. So facebook can't escape that rule and must decide what is acceptable or not and have to anticipate any flak they can get. In the end, moderation is a gruesome job and nobody really wants to do it, and it will be subject to how moderators anticipate public perception, so it's a PR ra…

This particular picture was on the cover of the New York Times. Surely a human reviewer from Facebook must consider this as reason enough to revert the censorship?

Sadly, the human reviewer at Facebook is quite likely to not have even been alive in 1972 (or not old enough to even remember the photo) and so it is likely they are just following the "official facebook policy" without thinking, and thereby hitting the "censor" button.

Note - this does not excuse their actions, but may put some context around 'why' it is happening.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the censorship of a few spoken words on TV while showing gore and other violent scenes are not a problem. I find it weird also cause when the word is censored as a viewer you already know that's what the character was meant to say.

Gore is a problem, yeesh. The whole "americans love violence" is overrated. The love of violence is a worldwide thing. Not like John Woo, Dario Argento, or Takashi Miike are american.

The amount of clean, bloodless violence against faceless enemies (watch any Hollywood movie) is a kind of soft propaganda IMO

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find interesting is that, de facto , global services like Facebook, are following and imposing to the rest of world the American cultural norms. It could have been a worse country, but that is a new twist on soft power (or at least in a new medium and in a new form).

Yeah because all of Europe sucks at making good web tech for some reason. Seriously - look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites Edit: Downvote all you want. I'll redact my statement if someone can show me that Europe does not suck at making web tech. But you can't, because Europe is not competitive in the web tech…

> look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]

Did you actually read that link before you posted it? On that list there are sites hosted by companies based in Cyprus (xHamster), the Netherlands (booking.com), Poland (onet.pl, xnxx), and the UK (BBC).

It may surprise you to learn that all of those countries are, in fact, in Europe.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Just because that is theoretically more effective doesn't mean you should do it. Assassinating Mark Zuckerberg might even approach a whole 1%, it's still not something we should be encouraging.

I can see a difference between encouraging you to petition your member of parliament, and encouraging you to assassinate someone. To start with, one of the two options is legal.

Encouraging your MP to violate human rights is only vacuously legal if it is at all.
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