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“Dear Mark. I am writing this to inform you that I shall not comply”

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post #24

> "Facebook is for the pleasure and benefit of the whole world, myself included, on a number of levels." Wrong. Facebook is for making money. If providing users with pleasure or benefits makes them money, then that's lucky for the users. > "Facebook has become a world-leading platform for spreading information, for debate and for social contact between persons. You have gained this position because you deserve it." A…

I don't know if I agree with the outrage at Facebook. They are out to make money. They can make more money if they avoid controversy and keep their site a place that brands like to be associated with. It results in corporate censorship for sure, but is it Facebook's responsibility to provide a censorship free platform? I fully agree with people taking note and becoming aware that Facebook is simply a business providi…

> They can make more money if they avoid controversy

Removing that picture for being pornographic should be much more controversial than the controversial pornographic aspect. The latter is really an US-centric notion.

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#182
post #81

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Does morality matter? It sounds dumb, but in this context I'm actually not sure.

It's not dumb. When corporate executives make decisions, they're explicitly constrained by legality. Morality is negotiable. And relative.

Law is ideally not different to morality. The same ethic measures should apply to both. The law is supposed to codify morality. It can capture only so many aspects of daily life, so there is a personal responsibility for everyone to account for the cases not explicitly mentioned. Law is also negotiable, that's why parliament literally means discussion.

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#183

Sometimes I wonder that when we shower criticism on Facebook about privacy concerns, we're missing the forest for the trees. The bigger issue I see is the sheer amount of eyeballs trained exclusively to Facebook's content. What does it mean for society when Facebook can demote a challenging but important article (say, of war reporting) in your newsfeed so it can promote your friend's Wedding photos, because an algori…

> What does it mean for society when Facebook can demote a challenging but important article (say, of war reporting) in your newsfeed so it can promote your friend's Wedding photos You'll be a hell of a lot healthier since the war photo is pointless(Exactly what's the point of reseeing the photo... to remind you war is bad?) but your friends count.

> since the war photo is pointless

Those war photos are supposed to be reminders for future decisions.

Based on continuous USA policy to export war to foster weapon economy, not much has changed though.

Re: “Dear Mark. I am writing this to inform you that I shall not comply”

#184
post #118

Relevant: http://www.theonion.com/article/horrible-facebook-algorithm-... For those who don't understand why this is relevant: the important point is that Facebook was never, is not, and will never be meant for dispersing information and fostering meaningful discourse. Its only raison d'être is entertainment and generating revenue for its shareholders, so it's rather pointless to try to fight their arbitrary rules. I…

> Its only raison d'être is entertainment and generating revenue for its shareholders, so it's rather pointless to try to fight their arbitrary rules.

How does it do that without users? I was taught, anyone with any interest in the operation is a stakeholder. If easy dispersion of information is their offer to users, they should be liable for that. If they aren't, the user should either seek support from the government to hold the debtor (facebook) accountable in an anti-trust issue, or consequently reevaluate the offer, if the original intent can not be expected anymore.

Since FB uses advertisement, which is controversial, this is not a clear cut case to me. Because of multiple share holders, facebook has to arbitrate the interests in their own interest. This is also controversial in the question of delivering the best experience regardless of the advertisement. The advertisement just makes it so much more complicated, because it often times borders on deception, if not fraud.

Re: “Dear Mark. I am writing this to inform you that I shall not comply”

#185

Sometimes I wonder that when we shower criticism on Facebook about privacy concerns, we're missing the forest for the trees. The bigger issue I see is the sheer amount of eyeballs trained exclusively to Facebook's content. What does it mean for society when Facebook can demote a challenging but important article (say, of war reporting) in your newsfeed so it can promote your friend's Wedding photos, because an algori…

> What does it mean for society when Facebook can demote a challenging but important article (say, of war reporting) in your newsfeed I think it means absolutely nothing. I use Facebook so I can see how my friends are doing, not to find news articles to read (unless it's an article my friend just shared, and even then only maybe). I don't think many people use facebook to get their news and nowhere else.

> I don't think many people use facebook to get their news and nowhere else.

Anecdotally I'd agree with you, but apparently statistically most facebook users are trending that way, so it's a genuine concern.

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#186
post #167

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The government created the AT&T monopoly.

I defer to you, but my take would be that the government simply declined to fight it on anti-trust grounds between ~1910-1970. On the other hand, I don't think you can ignore Bell Labs or the fact they they did build some amazing infrastructure. Would the world have been better off on the whole with more competition in AT&T's heyday?

Go read Tim Wu’s book The Master Switch. The details of these media/communications monopoly histories are fascinating.

It’s hard to answer your counterfactual definitively, but probably, yes.

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#187
post #112

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Its how some people get all those things. Not people who care enough to get their news directly from a number of sources, instead of via the Facebook filter.

to be completely honest, having the time and energy to stay well-informed on current events from a variety of sources is a privilege. working-class and poor people have neither the time nor mental energy to peruse a variety of sources. the reason i say this is not to tell you to "check your privilege", by the way. it's to make the argument that facebook's shaping of the zeitgeist primarily affects the impoverished an…

The poorest people spend the most time consuming media: http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/reports/2015/the-total...

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#188
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I defer to you, but my take would be that the government simply declined to fight it on anti-trust grounds between ~1910-1970. On the other hand, I don't think you can ignore Bell Labs or the fact they they did build some amazing infrastructure. Would the world have been better off on the whole with more competition in AT&T's heyday?

Go read Tim Wu’s book The Master Switch . The details of these media/communications monopoly histories are fascinating. It’s hard to answer your counterfactual definitively, but probably, yes.

Thanks for this. Looks interesting.

Re: “Dear Mark. I am writing this to inform you that I shall not comply”

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go read Tim Wu’s book The Master Switch . The details of these media/communications monopoly histories are fascinating. It’s hard to answer your counterfactual definitively, but probably, yes.

Thanks for this. Looks interesting.

Including this great quote from the front:

"At stake is not the First Amendment or the right of free speech, but exclusive custody of the master switch." — FRED FRIENDLY

Re: “Dear Mark. I am writing this to inform you that I shall not comply”

#190
post #166

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> "working-class and poor people have neither the time nor mental energy to peruse a variety of sources" is a bizarre claim I can't quite get my head around. Consider the possibility that this difficulty lies not with the claim, but with your head. The real value of money is that you can use it in place of time. The less of it you have, the more time you must spend on dealing with problems that you could make go away…

> The real value of money is that you can use it in place of time. This is true to a point, but you stretch it to an absolutism. As if, a lack of money by definition means a lack of time, which is most certainly false. In many ways, having more money increases demands on your time, and this can hold true up through even Larry Page levels of wealth. Working-class and poor people; many often hold a much more balanced w…

I love Hacker News! I can't imagine where else it might happen that a Silicon Valley startup founder would explain to a mouthy unlettered Mississippi redneck what it's like to be poor or working class. Thank you for that!
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