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Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Please explain where the calories in plain water come from.

According to mass-energy equivalence, every gram of water contains ~2.15*10^13 calories.

I assume you are talking on the physics e=mc^2 type level rather than an energy store that can be metabolized by your body.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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The most shocking thing (when I fasted for 5 days) occurred when I broke the fast. I broke it with 4 ounces of liquid (50% watermelon (straight from the fruit) + 50% water), only to have it come right back out 15-30 minutes later-- just as red as it was when it went it. It was mind boggling. I suppose I had gone my entire life thinking what comes out was always supposed to be brown, but when I looked in the toilet, all I saw was red. I couldn't believe it.

Also, I'm not dead. And lucky enough for me, I wasn't very toxic, so I easily went 5 days on nothing but water.

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The most shocking thing (when I fasted for 5 days) occurred when I broke the fast. I broke it with 4 ounces of liquid (50% watermelon (straight from the fruit) + 50% water), only to have it come right back out 15-30 minutes later-- just as red as it was when it went it. It was mind boggling. I suppose I had gone my entire life thinking what comes out was always supposed to be brown, but when I looked in the toilet, a…

You weren't very toxic?

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

#34

If I were to fast for that long, should I ingest anything other than water? Some vitamin supplements for example? Or maybe a bit of salt? Or is it really only water?

Ingesting anything will ruin the fast. Even brushing your teeth becomes tricky, as toothpaste can ruin everything. I ended up using a salt water solution (and an electric tooth brush) to do the job, but in hindsight, I could've used something like ToothSoap. It's extremely important to rinse the mouth thoroughly, so you don't swallow anything.

It is possible to run low on vitamins (depending on how long you go). If it's just 3-7 days, then it doesn't matter as much, but some people go a full 28 days (you can theoretically go about 40 days without causing problems, but as it will take another 40 days to break the fast, it proves to be too much for someone's first time (with 3-7 days working better)).

The step in a water fast that does most people in is the breaking of the fast. The key to a successful water fast is properly breaking the fast. It can be even more difficult, as while any hunger usually goes away within the first day or two, when the fast is first broken (with your first taste of 50% watermelon + 50% water, for example), it will kick the digestive system back into action, and you may easily become overwhelmed by an intense hunger. If you don't have the willpower to ignore this hunger, then you may end up eating something prematurely or eating too much.

The solution that works for most is to either buffer up on vitamins and minerals in the weeks leading up to the fast (which also ensures they don't have any hidden deficiencies), or to start with a juice fast (vegetables blended in a Vitamix, for example).

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

#35

If I were to fast for that long, should I ingest anything other than water? Some vitamin supplements for example? Or maybe a bit of salt? Or is it really only water?

When I was fasting (about 2.5 weeks), I ingested nothing but water. I don't think you need to be worried about running out of essential nutrients when you are only fasting for 3 days. Personal experience, of course. No empirical evidence.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Do they literally mean zero intake of calories for 72 hours? That sounds like a long time. How do you prepare for that nutrition wise and mentally? People eat at night during the ramadan.

About 3 years ago, I undertook a water fast that lasted about 17 days. It does take a lot of mental preparation. Nutrition wise, I ate only fruits for about a week before the fast. The first few days were very hard, but then I simply did not feel hunger at all. I intended to continue the fast for 30 days. But from about the 4th day onwards my mouth started having an awful odour and my tongue had a thick white coating…

You still have to brush your teeth when fasting. Scrape all that plaque biofilm off your tongue. Plaque bacteria feed on all sorts of nutrients in your mouth and in your saliva, not just food residue.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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post #33

The most shocking thing (when I fasted for 5 days) occurred when I broke the fast. I broke it with 4 ounces of liquid (50% watermelon (straight from the fruit) + 50% water), only to have it come right back out 15-30 minutes later-- just as red as it was when it went it. It was mind boggling. I suppose I had gone my entire life thinking what comes out was always supposed to be brown, but when I looked in the toilet, a…

You weren't very toxic?

I didn't have a lot of toxins stored in my fat cells, as I was reasonably healthy prior to the fast. Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter their bloodstream when their body breaks down adipose for fuel. They tend to be better served by starting with a juice fast, then building up to a full on water fast. It's easy to tell if you're among them, as you'll have severe "detox" symptoms a day or two into the fast. The proper reaction to such an experience is to wind the fast down, or transition to a juice fast (all things you should read about and be aware of before you begin).

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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The most shocking thing (when I fasted for 5 days) occurred when I broke the fast. I broke it with 4 ounces of liquid (50% watermelon (straight from the fruit) + 50% water), only to have it come right back out 15-30 minutes later-- just as red as it was when it went it. It was mind boggling. I suppose I had gone my entire life thinking what comes out was always supposed to be brown, but when I looked in the toilet, a…

You didn't consume anything but water for five consecutive days?

I also don't undertake what you mean by, "I wasn't very toxic."

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

#39

Do they literally mean zero intake of calories for 72 hours? That sounds like a long time. How do you prepare for that nutrition wise and mentally? People eat at night during the ramadan.

About 3 years ago, I undertook a water fast that lasted about 17 days. It does take a lot of mental preparation. Nutrition wise, I ate only fruits for about a week before the fast. The first few days were very hard, but then I simply did not feel hunger at all. I intended to continue the fast for 30 days. But from about the 4th day onwards my mouth started having an awful odour and my tongue had a thick white coating…

Of course the fast means little if you went back to your usual diet. The key is to have it rejuvenate/regenerate/heal your system, then to break it, but by transitioning to a better/cleaner diet (blended (Vitamix'd) vegetables, lean meats, nuts, and cold-pressed organic oils, for example).

Also, you can add in intermittent fasting (eating within the same 8-hour window each day) and mild caloric restriction (calculate your actual daily caloric requirement (more involved than it may seem), then eat 80% of that).

Then there are the supplements and nootropics. After a water fast is the perfect time to take on the habit of supplementing (in addition to continuing to consume mainly blended vegetables) with things like Acetyl L-Carnitine (and other free-form amino acids), CoQ10 (if you're over 30), Astaxanthin, Ashitaba, Vitamin D & K, Magnesium, (Opti)Zinc, etc. Also, there are nootropics like Cerebrolysin (one month every quarter), NSI-189 (also one month every quarter-- maybe after Cerebrolysin), and (N-Acetyl) Semax (Amidate) + N-Acetyl Selank (also one month every quarter-- or two months if you can't source NSI-189). There's also fasoracetam + coluracetam, Tianeptine Sulfate (mainly if you struggle with depression or anxiety), and many other things.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12386378

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/4z4t1q/top_5_an...

You can also look into Oil Pulling (unless you have many fillings).

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Although I haven't attempted this myself, I have seen many people attempt to endure a 72 hours fast (as part of diagnosing a potential pheochromocytoma) and the majority experience this as extremely difficult. I wonder if multiple shorter fasts — e.g., a 24 hours fast once a week — could be as beneficial.

If you're going to do shorter fasts, you may as well just eat within the same 8-hour window each day. That approach can be even more beneficial than skipping meals for one day each week. After doing this for a while (and ensuring you don't have any nutrient deficiencies), a water fast shouldn't be that difficult. If it is, then you can transition into it with a juice fast.
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