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‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

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Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

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Bear in mind that in the US, our lovely republican party literally made it illegal to research where the superbugs are being bred. In the US, the problem is mostly pig and cattle feedlots that rely on antibiotics to keep the animals from being sickened but he crowding. Naturally, there is no proof that superbugs are coming out of the feedlots, because the feedlot owners do not allow any sort of sample collection by s…

Do you have any support at all for these assertions?

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#122

So avoid hospitals unless absolutely needed. Gotcha.

Or only go to the top hospitals in the country. Comparing how the staff at a place like MD Anderson manages sanitary conditions compared to county or state hospitals is mind boggling.

Even with in the same state and county it is pretty mind boggling the differences from hospital to hospital. For example in Massachusetts where we are known for having some of the best hospital there are still certain hospitals in the greater Boston area to seriously avoid...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In particular, a potential patient might want to know MRSA case rates when selecting hospitals or other medical treatment facilities.

Or (perhaps more likely) Medicare/Medicaid and/or private insurers might start penalizing the ones that are screwing it up (by renegotiating contracts and reimbursements). I know of one center where executive laziness led to a $2 million fine (completely unjustified) for a line infection in an immunosuppressed patient. Which was cleared up in hours, probably didn't come from the line to begin with, and got said execu…

Sorry, I am a little confused. Why was it a happy ending? Because the VP was just a titular post? Also, looking at your comment, it reads like the problem went away not because the hospital improved, but because the data stopped being reported. This does not look like a happy ending either. And if the line infection was cleared up in hours, how did it also "probably didn't come from the line to begin with"?

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#124

Hello. I work for public health. My job is to support the computer systems that allow epidemiologists to track 'superbugs' (and regular ones). Deathcerts is an interesting dataset. It's not the only one. Even if death-by-MSRA isn't tracked, I assure you that MSRA itself is tracked. There's a specific class of lab test called "antibiotic susceptibilities". The results report includes a bunch of numbers that represent…

>>but there's NO WAY that Reuters had that much contact with state public health folks Why Not? They said it was a YEAR LONG investigation...

Read that sentence again. It makes an argument that hinges upon Reuters having had a lot of contact.

Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

#125

Hello. I work for public health. My job is to support the computer systems that allow epidemiologists to track 'superbugs' (and regular ones). Deathcerts is an interesting dataset. It's not the only one. Even if death-by-MSRA isn't tracked, I assure you that MSRA itself is tracked. There's a specific class of lab test called "antibiotic susceptibilities". The results report includes a bunch of numbers that represent…

Daveloyall is correct. I'll add that pretty much every local hospital system has their own database of antibiotic susceptibilities that is updated regularly so that doctors can prescribe the best antibiotic for the microbe populations specific to their region. Pretty nifty.

If you are curious as to what this might look like, here is the University of Washington 'antibiogram' for 2015:

http://depts.washington.edu/labweb/Divisions/Micro/antibiogr...

Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

#126

Can MRSA be treated with teixobactin? Now, E.Coli with MCR-1 is also spreading, isn't it?

MRSA is Staph Aureus, a gram-positive organism, and colistin is only (to my knowledge) used in treating gram negative infections (such as e coli, which can carry mcr-1).

MRSA can be treated with a number of different antibiotics, including vancomycin, daptomycin, linezolid, Bactrim, and clindamycin to name a few. Teixobactin is not yet on the market or approved for use in humans.

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#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying it is good. I'm just saying that there is more than one thing going on here. I don't think hospitals have any motivation to hide antibiotic-resistant infections ("superbugs") specifically. HOWEVER, the motive to hide hospital-acquired infections[0] is clear! Here's some mud in the water: what's the difference between a HAI with some bug that is easily killed by antibiotics vs. an antibiotic resistant b…

You start out by saying that the article is "misleading", and that MRSA is tracked. The article is pretty convincing that it's not accurately reported. Then you agree with the article that "the motive to hide hospital-acquired infections is clear". Uhh... That's kind of a huge problem.

Yes, as the article points out:

> There’s also a powerful incentive not to mention a hospital-acquired infection: Counting deaths is tantamount to documenting your own failures. By acknowledging such infections, hospitals and medical professionals risk potentially costly legal liability, loss of insurance reimbursements and public-relations damage.

Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

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The question that comes to my mind is, are the European countries doing any better in tracking MRSA, etc. infections? They certainly exist. One might hope a more centralized health-care system, not balkanized like the USA one[1], would keep better records. Do they?

UK NHS MRSA infections are reported weekly online on data.gov.uk

Patients are screened for MRSA if they are being admitted for surgery, cancer and a number of other risk groups, or have had MRSA previously.

Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying it is good. I'm just saying that there is more than one thing going on here. I don't think hospitals have any motivation to hide antibiotic-resistant infections ("superbugs") specifically. HOWEVER, the motive to hide hospital-acquired infections[0] is clear! Here's some mud in the water: what's the difference between a HAI with some bug that is easily killed by antibiotics vs. an antibiotic resistant b…

You start out by saying that the article is "misleading", and that MRSA is tracked. The article is pretty convincing that it's not accurately reported. Then you agree with the article that "the motive to hide hospital-acquired infections is clear". Uhh... That's kind of a huge problem.

Well yeah. But hey, I'm no journalist.

I stand by my assertion that nobody is trying to "hide" the "superbug" problem.

The human tendency to not self-report failures is a thing. But it's not some kind of biohazard conspiracy.

And one more thing about the death certificates...

    > In a statement emailed to Reuters, Frieden said: 
    > "While death certificates provide helpful 
    > information, the unfortunate reality is that they
    > don't provide in-depth clinical information."
I'm guessing that Frieden, the boss of the whole CDC, went on to say something like: "But it makes sense, because death certificates are primarily legal records. The clinical information lives in medical records." OR, OR, something more accurate. That's why he gets the big bucks. :)

Re: ‘Superbug’ scourge spreads as U.S. fails to track rising human toll

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You start out by saying that the article is "misleading", and that MRSA is tracked. The article is pretty convincing that it's not accurately reported. Then you agree with the article that "the motive to hide hospital-acquired infections is clear". Uhh... That's kind of a huge problem.

Well yeah. But hey, I'm no journalist. I stand by my assertion that nobody is trying to "hide" the "superbug" problem. The human tendency to not self-report failures is a thing. But it's not some kind of biohazard conspiracy. And one more thing about the death certificates... > In a statement emailed to Reuters, Frieden said: > "While death certificates provide helpful > information, the unfortunate reality is that t…

Well, you know more about this space than I do. So maybe it's not so bad...

But the article sure makes it sound like hospitals are hiding MRSA-related deaths, since MRSA infections are often "hospital acquired". And we all agree that hospitals would have an incentive to hide these numbers.

And the apparent under-reporting seems to indicate that this is in fact what's going on. This sounds like a problem! Thanks a lot, dishonest hospitals!

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