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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by DanBC »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #148
DanBC wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Videos are edited to remove that information. "Freebooting" is the term that's used. A Facebook group will find a popular video on Youtube, then either edit out all identifying information or just remake the video, then post it to their group to get the views and ad revenue.

What you describe here sounds like a real copyright piracy.

Most copyright laws make a distinction between copyright infringement done as part of trade and copyright infringement done for personal use.

EDIT: For fuck's sake, this is true, and follows from WIPO Copyright Treaty into the Copyright Directive for the EU and whatever the US equivalent is. Breaching copyright as part of trade turns it into a criminal offence, merely breaching copyright for personal use is a civil tort.

That's why in the various bit-torrent legal cases people who torrent are sued for loss by companies in courts, while people who run businesses running torrent sites are prosecuted by law enforcement.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by njloof »

oldmanjay wrote: post #51
contingencies wrote: post #31

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

I find it amusing that after all these decades people are still willing to claim some sort of moral high ground in defense of their desire for entertainment.

I find it amusing that people in the US have been willing to extend copyright from the original 28 years to 100 years, and in most cases to give no moral rights to the artists involved in the creation of the work.

And this is the framework the US is pushing the rest of the world to adopt.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by mirimir »

wccrawford wrote: post #147
mirimir wrote: post #60

> Fans would easily spend on the roadshow cut of Hateful Eight or the integral cut of Kill Bill. Both are not available to buy. Why might that be? Maybe the market is too small. But in that case, why would they care about piracy? Strange.

Because it was part of the marketing campaign to get people to see it in the theatres. It was an experience that you were unable to get in any other way, and so it was more special and (theoretically) should draw more people to it. I went to it, and all the little touches (like the pamphlets) were really well done, and it was indeed a special, memorable experience. It's like limited-edition figures or tins. Some peop…

OK, I get it. Thanks.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by DanBC »

dozzie wrote: post #142
DanBC wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uploading a video to Youtube if you don't have permission of the rights holders is a very clear breach of copyright. Downloading that video (whether by watching it on Youtube or by using a tool to download the video to watch offline) is, if you don't have the permission of the rights holder another very clear copyright breach. There's some narrow exceptions for free use, or public domain content. I'm surprised you th…

E.g. in Poland. Don't be surprised, because it's not an absolute truth that you breach copyright watching something published.

Polish law is harmonised with the Copyright directive, which implements the WIPO treaty.

Watching a video on Youtube is only lawful if the rights holder has given their permission. Here, the rights holder hasnt given their permission and isn't getting compensation, thus it's not lawful in Polish law.

It might be useful if you provided a cite the the Polish law that gives this exemption.

The person uploading the video is clearly breaching copyright, and if they monetise the video that becomes criminal in most of EU. But the person downloading the video is also breaching copyright, albeit not criminally.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by StavrosK »

pluma wrote: post #109
Houshalter wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It violates YouTube's terms of service and hurts the artists.

> hurts the artists ... only if you use the version of youtubedl that comes with the knife-wielding robot.

Why wouldn't you? It's free.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by mountaineer22 »

e12e wrote: post #65
_pius wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution releases. The DCP is just a digital print (what movie theaters play for digital releases instead of the reels of film that go with analog releases). It's not really about resolution per se, it's just a term for the whole package that the theater gets.

To add to this - a typical cinema release is a pretty big file - frame-by-frame encoded as jpg2000 in 4k. Often shipped on hard drives, or downloaded via dedicated fiber lines. They key material is distributed separately, and allows for fine-grained control of play back (eg time of day - to the point that if a screening is sufficiently delayed, it may sometimes have to be cancelled if a new key can't be acquired in t…

What do you use to film in 4K so that you can later view your own footage on a cinema screen?

What does that workflow look like?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by tomerv »

usrusr wrote: post #135
sprocket35 wrote: post #4

It's worth noting that the DCP format doesn't have a master key - each "reel" of an encrypted film has its own content key, which is decrypted by each DCP player's private FIPS protected key combined with a public Key Delivery Message from the distributor. So if the DCP was indeed cracked, it was either because they gained access to the FIPS module in a DCP playback server, or they gained access to the plaintext cont…

> they will be able to decrypt every other film that they have a KDM for and we should expect to see more DCP releases. If you have individually encrypted copies, it would be stupid to not also individually watermark them on the content level. With a bit of targeted key invalidation, this could well be contained to a one time breach.

There is just one encrypted copy, with one key. But that key has many copies, each encrypted with a different copy. The device takes its private key, and uses it to acquire the "master" key, which is then used to decrypt the media. Of course, every movie release has its own "master" key.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by 15155 »

fwn wrote: post #71
dlgeek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The price isn't "zero" - it's a low-likelihood/high-impact risk of being sued for copyright infringement/having your internet shut off for "strikes"/moral guilt/etc.

This. Also inconvenience, time spent, process complexity etc. In fact piracy can cost so much, people pay actual money to avoid it. I think that is why Spotify et al. are so popular among prior pirates.

Private music torrent tracker member here:

I pay for Spotify for convenience and functionality (syncing between devices, perfect tagging/catalog/artwork), not because of any potential risks surrounding piracy.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by maccard »

contingencies wrote: post #31

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

> As always with DRM, it's defective by design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_by_Design

It depends on what the desired outcome of the DRM is. A prime example of effective DRM is Denuvo [0]. Loosely speaking, there are two main groups of people who pirate games - those who would buy it otherwise, and those who wouldn't. There's not much you can do about the latter group, so they're not really worth considering. The former group however are the potential lost sales. The sales for a AAA video game usually peak on release or very shortly after, and fall off a cliff very quickly., If your DRM system manages to keep a crack for your game from being leaked for the first few weeks of its life, you will capture many of the people who fall into the "might buy your game" category.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

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