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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by contingencies »

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System).

The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution releases. HDCP is still what current era consumer hardware uses, and it's totally wide open.

As always with DRM, it's defective by design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_by_Design

If you can view it, you can copy it... it's just a matter of time, motivation, and desired quality.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by dlgeek »

slr555 wrote: post #28

The "economics" here are interesting. One of the sources attributes the piracy to a "market failure". This is not accurate. As price falls to zero and supply is infinite (piracy) there is nothing to restrain demand. Sure I want all those Tarantino special cuts if they don't cost me anything. Got Tarkovsky in 4K? I'll take that too. Pirates try to justify their thefts in economic terms but at the end of the day they a…

The price isn't "zero" - it's a low-likelihood/high-impact risk of being sued for copyright infringement/having your internet shut off for "strikes"/moral guilt/etc.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by humanrebar »

slr555 wrote: post #28

The "economics" here are interesting. One of the sources attributes the piracy to a "market failure". This is not accurate. As price falls to zero and supply is infinite (piracy) there is nothing to restrain demand. Sure I want all those Tarantino special cuts if they don't cost me anything. Got Tarkovsky in 4K? I'll take that too. Pirates try to justify their thefts in economic terms but at the end of the day they a…

> Pirates try to justify their thefts in economic terms but at the end of the day they are no different than someone taking socks from Walmart.

I agree that people just want free stuff, but stealing a physical object deprives someone of that object.

Copying media is strictly a violation of a business model. There is minimal (if any) marginal cost to the owner. Better analogies include sneaking into a (not full) movie, hopping a turnstile, or not putting money into the meter (again, when other spaces are available).

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by voltagex_ »

mappu wrote: post #29
voltagex_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, that's less than a 50GB Blu-Ray, so tell me, why did we need a different disc format for UHD Blu-Ray?

And a YIFY 1080p release is less than a 4.5GB DVD, why did we need a different disc format for regular Blu-Ray? A VCD release fits on a 700MB CD, why did we need a different disc format for DVD? You can make video files come out any size you like - even 1 MB - if you're willing to make the tradeoffs (on both quality and time-to-encode dimensions). There's also a limited amount of hardware you can put into a set-top p…

You could still sell the set-top player (which aren't really at a "low" price point) with H.265 as the codec on the current-gen Blu-Ray disc - reducing manufacturing costs.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

contingencies wrote: post #31

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

The point of DRM is to make that time, motivation, and quality equation not make sense. Every day that a new videogame stays off Piratebay is an extra day of full revenue.

I'm not defending DRM, but it's important to know one's enemy.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by 6nf »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #11

All I know is that the music industry learned a long time ago DRM didn't work and wasn't worth it, and I can now buy MP3 files on any service, and play them on any device. And while I don't engage in movie piracy myself, I hope these pirates are successful in driving studios to that same point, where I can happily shell over $30 for a 4K file and use it how I want to.

There's a difference though. DRM music files are sold directly to consumers. These consumers have to be able to decrypt the files on their own computers / devices which makes DRM useless.

The movie files in this case are not meant for consumers. They're only decrypted on specialised equipment not accessible to the general public. If you manage to get your hands on a DCP file there's nothing you can do to decrypt it without access to the specific projector system it was intended for (unless someone screwed up somewhere of course)

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by _pius »

contingencies wrote: post #31

To clarify for all the other non HD-video nerds, this seems to be regarding DCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package not HDCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... (which is already broken, and was itself the industry response to the breaking of DVD CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System ). The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution relea…

The use of DCP seems to be limited to very high resolution releases.

The DCP is just a digital print (what movie theaters play for digital releases instead of the reels of film that go with analog releases). It's not really about resolution per se, it's just a term for the whole package that the theater gets.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by loeg »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #11

All I know is that the music industry learned a long time ago DRM didn't work and wasn't worth it, and I can now buy MP3 files on any service, and play them on any device. And while I don't engage in movie piracy myself, I hope these pirates are successful in driving studios to that same point, where I can happily shell over $30 for a 4K file and use it how I want to.

It took the music industry a long time.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by KayEss »

Yaggo wrote: post #14

The DVD format in NTSC regions has 480 pixel vertical resolution. Even the half-century old NTSC spec has more vertical lines (525). I find it amazing that DVDs are still being sold.

That's not how it works. Those 525 lines include the beam moving from the bottom right of the screen back to the top left to start to display the next frame (vertical blanking). There are only around 480 lines visible on the screen. The non-image lines is where things like teletext would be transmitted.
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