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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

OedipusRex wrote: post #13
nrclark wrote: post #12

Another option is that somebody got ahold of some HDCP chips that fell off the back of a truck. There are Chinese companies (Explore Semi and friends) that make HDCP repeater chips with decryption / encryption capabilities. Those bad boys can take an HDCP-protected input stream and strip the encryption right off. DCP controls chip sales very tightly in the US, but I imagine it's a practical impossibility in Shenzhen.

So it's a better quality Chinese knock off? We need a word for this.

"Chinese knock-up"?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by aorth »

The article links to the leak, where there are screenshots from both the DCP and US Blu-ray versions of the movie. The new (DCP) source looks way better, has much more detail. Both are in H.264 format at obscenely-high bit rates. Other than cutting the file size in half for the same bit rates, I wonder how H.265 would fare on this epic movie!

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Post by [deleted] »

bravo22 wrote: post #16
wmf wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably the studio sends a master to Okko and then Okko transcodes it into various formats for streaming. Imagine an insider sets the transcoder to output 4K H.264 and then leaks the resulting file. It sounds like encryption won't help here.

They wouldn't send a DCP stream for transcoding. DCP stream can only be decoded by the media block inside the projector and the output physically goes to the projector chip. The system has safe guards against physical intrusion. If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. The level of paranoia in that thing is insane. They keys only get programmed by the studios at manufacture time, and there is no servicing of…

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by bArray »

themartorana wrote: post #10

I wonder if there's any way to measure the actual financial impact on this movie, which I'm guessing is close to zero (and the MPAA will tell you is millions of dollars). The amount of work and security put into these encryption schemes is sizable to say the least. But is anyone that wouldn't pirate it later going to pirate it now?

I think the MPAA count each watch as a potential purchase - when it's simply not true at all.

I'll admit that I sometimes watch a poor cam video before going to the cinema. It costs £10 a ticket plus food and fuel - about £15. Critiques often don't represent what I like in films, so I would just not go.

Pirated films probably encourages people to watch films. It can create a bigger hype around a film.

I think the war on piracy somewhat echoes the issues of the war on drugs.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by wmf »

voltagex_ wrote: post #25
montecarl wrote: post #18

I had to look it up. I won't post a link here but the file appears to be 38.06 GiB!

Interestingly, that's less than a 50GB Blu-Ray, so tell me, why did we need a different disc format for UHD Blu-Ray?

Because Hollywood has higher quality standards than pirates?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by slr555 »

The "economics" here are interesting. One of the sources attributes the piracy to a "market failure". This is not accurate. As price falls to zero and supply is infinite (piracy) there is nothing to restrain demand. Sure I want all those Tarantino special cuts if they don't cost me anything. Got Tarkovsky in 4K? I'll take that too.

Pirates try to justify their thefts in economic terms but at the end of the day they are no different than someone taking socks from Walmart. They want goods or services that others have worked to produce without compensating them for their work.

Seriously, just own it dude. I stole this movie because I wanted it and I could. The Hateful Eight 4K is tearing down the academic pay wall to bring knowledge to the masses. It's a free movie and Cheetos.

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Post by mappu »

voltagex_ wrote: post #25
montecarl wrote: post #18

I had to look it up. I won't post a link here but the file appears to be 38.06 GiB!

Interestingly, that's less than a 50GB Blu-Ray, so tell me, why did we need a different disc format for UHD Blu-Ray?

And a YIFY 1080p release is less than a 4.5GB DVD, why did we need a different disc format for regular Blu-Ray?

A VCD release fits on a 700MB CD, why did we need a different disc format for DVD?

You can make video files come out any size you like - even 1 MB - if you're willing to make the tradeoffs (on both quality and time-to-encode dimensions). There's also a limited amount of hardware you can put into a set-top player while keeping a consumer-friendly price point.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by aorth »

wmf wrote: post #27
voltagex_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, that's less than a 50GB Blu-Ray, so tell me, why did we need a different disc format for UHD Blu-Ray?

Because Hollywood has higher quality standards than pirates?

The article links to the leak, where there are 4K screenshots of the leaked (DCP) version and the Blu-ray version, and the leaked version looks much nicer. :)
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