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Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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Hardware does not get exponetially better. Maybe it did in 90ties and 00ers. Right now hardwardware gets slimmer, less power consuming and cheaper. But not better. My 12 year old (then mid-end gaming pc) is pretty much exactly as fast as my current, 2(?) year old office machine. (x264 and other mulit-threaed cpu benchbmarks) But it costs a fraction and uses next to no energy. /edit: Yes this is wrong. I made a mistak…

Love the redundancy of "90ties", but what's the etymology of "00ers"?

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Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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I have this exact same problem, in fact I could have written your comment word-for-word. I also cannot reproduce it reliably, but it started in August. I also switched from Chrome, but for slightly different reasons...I got to thinking about Google, and Chrome,and ad-blocking, and it occurred to me that Chrome will probably never allow extensions on Android, not because it's technically not possible, but because ad-b…

Based on CAF Chromium, with integrated ad-blocker and DuckDuckGo as an search option : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mokee.yubr...

interesting...does this really sync with your Google account / bookmarks?

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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Not even criticizing, but how do you manage 130 tabs? How do you find tabs you're looking for? You must have some kind of system!

A few people use Tree-Style Tabs, which organize them as a tree structure, similar to directories. It encourages using tabs instead of bookmarks, which have a terrible UX (in all browsers, not picking on Firefox here). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I do that and I hit 1000 tabs. Once a week I close and reopen or it gets too slow.

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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Not even criticizing, but how do you manage 130 tabs? How do you find tabs you're looking for? You must have some kind of system!

A few people use Tree-Style Tabs, which organize them as a tree structure, similar to directories. It encourages using tabs instead of bookmarks, which have a terrible UX (in all browsers, not picking on Firefox here). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I do that and I regularly hit 1000 tabs. Once a week I close and reopen or it gets too slow.

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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The thing is, workstation and laptop RAM is so cheap. If your browser is eating an appreciable chunk of your 16 or 32GB of RAM, you need to close some tabs.

Forgive me; your statement does not make sense. First you're implying that all you have to do is get more RAM; then you're admitting that you only have a certain amount, so you should stop using so much. In actuality, very few non-server PCs can be populated with any more than 16-32 GB. It's not a matter of bother or expense at all. It's a design limit. Every single time I've driven a non-server PC into hopeless swap…

Even more of a problem on laptops since the market has overwhelmingly moved from a technical capabilities standpoint to a race to less weight and more autonomy. Has a result, max memory on high end or configurable models has at best stagnated for a few years. I've a 4 years old laptop with 16GB. It's not yet possible to get that on all flagships laptops today (even though 16GB SODimm is not even expensive anymore).

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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> I'm also a little surprised there hasn't been an attempt to launch a completely new Firefox from the ground up. Check out Servo: https://servo.org/

Servo is "just" a new rendering engine, though, not a whole browser.

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Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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My point is that defense in depth is not all that great if the breach of the first line already gives you access to the loot. So you shouldn't assign too much weight to it.

The point of defense in depth is that you should not rely solely in practice on a single defense element, but you still should strive the hardest when you design it to be sufficient if it was bug free (at least on points where it is possible given the security model, and what the technical item can address). So splitting everything in sandboxed processes can play a big part in the security in a defense in depth appro…

> extremely significant

How so? Are you saying that simply by being single-process currently firefox is orders of magnitude less secure than other browsers?

And that it would still be orders of magnitude less secure even with sandboxes, where just multiple tabs might share a sandbox?

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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Maybe I'm misreading things but it looks like it's been constantly getting worse since 2012?

They're getting worse at a linear pace, while hardware improves exponentially. Effectively that's a pretty good improvement each year.

My hardware doesn't improve exponentially. In fact, my current work laptop has less memory (8G) than my previous one (16G) or previous desktop machine (also 16G). And it mostly works with Chrome, but I stopped using Firefox because my habit of opening dozens of tabs led to stratospheric memory usages that killed even 16G machines. That was somewhere in 2013, looks like it's even worse now?

Re: Multi-process Firefox brings 400-700% improvement in responsiveness

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Funny, I have the same lockups with Chrome. Middle-clicking a new link (to open in a new tab) freezes the entire browser (all tabs) until the new tab is done loading. I believe it's a extension problem (uBlock Origin, EFF Privacy Badger), but I don't really want to get rid of any of them.

I know this is not about ad blockers, but does anybody have any experience of using something like https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/blob/master/hosts instead of uBlock Origin? Or even use it in the hosts file of our dd-wrt/openwrt routers?

I use a similar solution and I love it. It works on every app and requires no browser add-ons. I use a list from this ancient looking website: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

I wish I could use this on my phone.

EDIT: Looks like I should switch to the https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts source, as it includes the one I referenced plus a lot more.

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