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Researchers Confront an Epidemic of Loneliness

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Re: Researchers Confront an Epidemic of Loneliness

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Young people can walk and drive longer distances, and so normally have less reason to remain lonely, I would guess. Do lonely young people continue to be lonely mainly because they don't know how to initiate social interaction? Or because they don't realize that companionship is what they need?

Both

But are those the two main reasons? Or is there some other cause that I'm not considering?

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Article focuses on senior citizens. But loneliness is far from only senior people problem. More and more young and middle age men and women are lonely in western world. Maybe this will be a step towards trying to do something about young people loneliness too, as lonely young people have even worse impact on society than lonely old people.

Young people can walk and drive longer distances, and so normally have less reason to remain lonely, I would guess. Do lonely young people continue to be lonely mainly because they don't know how to initiate social interaction? Or because they don't realize that companionship is what they need?

One thing I've been thinking about is how the terms of social relation have been changing rapidly, and we don't have tools or forms for managing them any more. In order to communicate, form bonds, etc., we need common terms, things we can agree on the meaning of, and those have eroded - our moral systems have decayed as people move away from religion, our communication styles change every few years, national boundaries weaken, our communities become atomized by changing market forces.

The upshot is confusion - more of us know less about how we should behave, where we should look for community, who we should talk to and how.

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I'm pretty lonely. After years of moving around and making lots of 'disposable friends' - mostly work friends, I eventually settled in the burbs. The conversations out here are limited to the most superficial things: kids, weather, new restaurants, landscaping companies, etc. But, since most of us came from different places, took very different paths, there's huge cultural differences to overcome. And, there's almost no overlap in interests - so nothing to gather around.

Also, being a male seems to make it much more difficult - many of us are raised to be self-reliant, independent, reserved and undaunted. It's a sign of weakness for us to admit to loneliness. Plus, many are by biology competitive and view the other males as potential threats. Lots of the guys I meet are wearing masks, holding their cards close, sizing each other up, and trying to one-up the others. When I go to the coffee shops and see all the men sitting alone, it's depressing.

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I have a feeling that this is all related to the entry of women into the workplace. Don't get me wrong; patriarchy is oppression and it has to go- but I think there were a lot of jobs being done by women which are now being done by nobody, and among those are the jobs of maintaining social cohesion and networking and so forth, which are a lot easier to do if you and your friends are somewhere other than at work at the same time. But if you and your neighbors are not consistently at home and have free time at the same time, how would you get to know them? Also, if the jobs of doing housework and cooking now has to be done after work hours, when is there time to join a bowling league? We are all in debt up to the eyeballs and working too much - the loss of social cohesion is hardly surprising. I mean, patriarchy is a system that has been in place for literally thousands of years, until this generation. And we have nothing to replace it with. What really should be happening is that a) in households with two working people, the total combined hours worked by both should not exceed 40 hours and b) there should be some consistency to when those hours are, so that you and your friends can be home at the same time. If that doesn't happen, then we are going to start looking like Japan - sky high suicide rate, plunging birth rate.. Again, I'm not arguing that sexism or patriarchy was ever a good thing, I'm just saying that our current system of labor might not be sustainable now that it's going away.

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Article focuses on senior citizens. But loneliness is far from only senior people problem. More and more young and middle age men and women are lonely in western world. Maybe this will be a step towards trying to do something about young people loneliness too, as lonely young people have even worse impact on society than lonely old people.

Young people can walk and drive longer distances, and so normally have less reason to remain lonely, I would guess. Do lonely young people continue to be lonely mainly because they don't know how to initiate social interaction? Or because they don't realize that companionship is what they need?

> companionship is what they need

I'm 40ish and married right now, but throughout my life I've alternated between being solitary and living with people. My take on it is that both are psychologically stressful in different ways. I've wondered once or twice whether it would be better to have some kind of drug or therapy that helps a person be content with being alone rather than assuming that companionship is going to be a magic bullet for everyone.

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I'm pretty lonely. After years of moving around and making lots of 'disposable friends' - mostly work friends, I eventually settled in the burbs. The conversations out here are limited to the most superficial things: kids, weather, new restaurants, landscaping companies, etc. But, since most of us came from different places, took very different paths, there's huge cultural differences to overcome. And, there's almost…

I live a life apart and I've extremely happy. Find something besides social interactions to give your life meaning. Find small ways to be kind and compassionate in the rare interactions you do have. Do things that put you near other people, even if you don't necessarily interact.

Don't think that your life is wanting because you don't socialize. If you strip away the veneers of culture, socialization is just a way to find identity, meaning and pass time. You can do all that on your own terms, and some of the wisest people in history have purposefully separated themselves to do just that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Young people can walk and drive longer distances, and so normally have less reason to remain lonely, I would guess. Do lonely young people continue to be lonely mainly because they don't know how to initiate social interaction? Or because they don't realize that companionship is what they need?

> companionship is what they need I'm 40ish and married right now, but throughout my life I've alternated between being solitary and living with people. My take on it is that both are psychologically stressful in different ways. I've wondered once or twice whether it would be better to have some kind of drug or therapy that helps a person be content with being alone rather than assuming that companionship is going to…

Part of the problem is that our culture strongly encourages social contribution and development of identity via social mechanisms. We stigmatize non-contribution and individual identity using labels like crazy, weirdo, freak and degenerate.

Isolating non-conformists wouldn't need medication and therapy if people respected them in the first place.

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A national study released this year showed Sixty-five to 79 is the happiest age group for adults in the UK. Though this declined in the over-80s. So what happens around the age of 80? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35471624

your friends start to die?
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