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Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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Note that in Europe, whatever Apple says, you have a 2 years warranty for this kind of problem. Also, do the chip really need a replacement, or a simple reflow would work?

Also note that in the U.S., many credit card companies provide an extra year of warranty as part of their member benefits.

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While all us non-americans can gloat about what great consumer protection laws we have (and I'm very happy about them as a consumer!) it's not for no reason that all cool stuff is made by americans. They have the state of Delaware, and they have the government who prioritize business before social issues. Correlated (and if you ask me, causative (is that a word?)) is that most impressive companies and products are in…

The main reason why "cool stuff" is made in America is because of massive government subsidy to the computer industry in the 50's, 60's and thanks to publically funded research (Bell labs, PARC etc). Again in the 80's under Reagan there was big investment in the computer industry as they recognized that Japan was starting to take the lead in tech industry.

My understanding is that both Bell Labs and PARC were owned and operated solely by large corporations (AT&T and Xerox, respectively). Do you have a source on government funding of either?

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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post #44

Note that in Europe, whatever Apple says, you have a 2 years warranty for this kind of problem. Also, do the chip really need a replacement, or a simple reflow would work?

It's said in the article that while it would fix it, but the problem tends to come back with reflow instead of replacing the chips.

And the use of Lead-free solder only makes the problem worse (which doesn't mean it was perfect in the first place)

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason why "cool stuff" is made in America is because of massive government subsidy to the computer industry in the 50's, 60's and thanks to publically funded research (Bell labs, PARC etc). Again in the 80's under Reagan there was big investment in the computer industry as they recognized that Japan was starting to take the lead in tech industry.

My understanding is that both Bell Labs and PARC were owned and operated solely by large corporations (AT&T and Xerox, respectively). Do you have a source on government funding of either?

I Wouldn't be surprised if the DOD was the biggest customer for both.. "subsidy" doesn't mean they were owned or directly financed.

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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post #56
post #26

"but said Apple doesn’t recognize it as an issue" Oh, I am so glad we have laws in my country to prevent asshole companies from doing things like this. Goods that is "expected to last long" has a five year mandatory warranty here and mobiles are included. The rest has two years. It doesn't matter if they recognize it as an issue, the phone is broken period.

While all us non-americans can gloat about what great consumer protection laws we have (and I'm very happy about them as a consumer!) it's not for no reason that all cool stuff is made by americans. They have the state of Delaware, and they have the government who prioritize business before social issues. Correlated (and if you ask me, causative (is that a word?)) is that most impressive companies and products are in…

> it's not for no reason that all cool stuff is made by americans

Damn straight - American TV's sure are the coolest of all!

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that both Bell Labs and PARC were owned and operated solely by large corporations (AT&T and Xerox, respectively). Do you have a source on government funding of either?

I Wouldn't be surprised if the DOD was the biggest customer for both.. "subsidy" doesn't mean they were owned or directly financed.

Owned? No, it doesn't mean that.

Directly financed? I wouldn't call it a subsidy otherwise: https://www.google.com/search?q=subsidy&oq=subsidy

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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post #8

>“But the fact remains—compared to earlier iPhone models, the iPhone 6/6+ is kind of a ‘bendy’ phone. Its slim form factor and larger surface area subject the logic board within the phone to mechanical flexion pressure that no other iPhone has had to deal with[...]” Thank god they are rumoured to be making phones even slimmer then, _and_ getting rid of the headphone jack as well! Apple seems to be putting form ahead…

These days??? How quick we forget the iPhone 4 that didn't work as a phone when held due to shielding issues.

It did work just fine, it actually had the best antenna of any phone on the market at the time - dramatic improvement on the previous models. Yeah it lost signal when held wrong but was still superior to other phones. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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> Fundamentally a long flat thin object is going to be bendy or brittle I think GPs idea was to make the PCB no longer long, but have two smaller PCBs with flat flex between them. Then when the phone bends, the PCBs wont bend but let the flat flex take the stress instead. > (To see the problem, place a coin on a credit card and bend the card - note that the coin no longer touches across its whole surface) Now cut the…

Doable, and might even be a good idea for long thin PCBs, but it messes with both your routing and placement and therefore consumes PCB area. Also upsets your controlled-impedance traces. And adds an extra assembly step. To estimate doing this, take the PCB image and Paint and try to clear a 3mm gap in it. How many components do you have to move? Do you have to make the whole thing 3mm longer? Aren't most of them dec…

And after all this discussion I'd bet Apple already fixed this with the 6s by simply stiffening the actual case...

Re: A Design Defect Is Breaking iPhone 6 Pluses

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"Apple advises customers to lose at least 20 pounds before reporting any issues."

Seen as its a Californian company and most of the execs are very cargo pants-ish I also don't think they're designing products taking into account people in other parts of the world like to wear smarter skinnier fitting clothes.

Skinny jeans (comically, impractically skinny jeans even, IMO) are extremely common in California. Possibly even the norm, if there is a norm.
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