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Its it stupid at all. I taught myself Triginometry from a book for fun . Sure, not everyone's idea of a good time but I don't see the need to take a University or College course for lots of money when in fact I only spent about AU$34.95 on a good book and I didn't need to feel rushed in getting to grips with the concepts. I learn different things at different speeds, a course makes me go at a speed I don't enjoy. Thi…
It's not about need, it's the structure that a university provides when you're trying to study complex topics. And trigonometry is taught in high schools? It's something most children pick up, I don't think it's a fair comparison to say, measure theory.
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#132John Baez's recommendations: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/books.html
For theoretical physics 't Hooft's recommendations: http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gadda001/goodtheorist/
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#133But once this stuff clicks it becomes very easy to teach yourself. I've been learning stuff like quantum algorithm, network analysis, etc.
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* the most advanced math I had was Algebra 2* How could you get a BS in CS without taking calculus courses? Which school did you go to?
It's kind of a shame that so many schools push you to study calculus in order to study CS; digital computers are algebraic machines, not analytical ones, pace Babbage. Combinatorics and graph theory would be far more useful. (Although maybe this will change with machine learning.)
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* the most advanced math I had was Algebra 2* How could you get a BS in CS without taking calculus courses? Which school did you go to?
It's kind of a shame that so many schools push you to study calculus in order to study CS; digital computers are algebraic machines, not analytical ones, pace Babbage. Combinatorics and graph theory would be far more useful. (Although maybe this will change with machine learning.)
Calculus does usually build some mathematical maturity for those who haven't encountered it. And it's useful as an introduction to sequences and series, and for anyone interested in numerical analysis or physics simulation (e.g., computational science, modeling, game engine development, etc.).
Not to mention having it is useful if you find that you'd rather do computer engineering or EE halfway through your undergrad career (though this last point is tangential at best).
I do wish linear algebra was a more commonly required course in CS programs.
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As a mathematician, and seeing what's on the article (and with no intention to downplay your achievements, which are impressive), that's not what I think of when I hear "advanced mathematics". Vectorial calculus and differential equations (ordinary, not partial) are basic courses in math degrees. For the things that the article explains, such as topology, group/ring theory, measure theory, functional analysis, etc (w…
(responding not to what is in the article, but only to your comment on how difficult it is to study what is more nearly "advanced mathematics") I got 800 on the 1980s-era math SATs, came in third in the Portland OR area in a math contest in high school, and did OK at Caltech (not in a math major), but I'm no Terry Tao, and I very much doubt I'd've been anything very special in a good math undergrad program. Some year…
Any advice on how to use those textbooks the best way?
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#137I'd pay handsomely for a personal tutor / teacher.
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#138This is stupid. The hard part about a Math degree is the number of hours you have to put in. If you cannot go to university full time, go part time. If you cannot go part time, you don't have enough time to actually learn any of these topics on your own. I've done these classes. It's typically 150 hours per class and it's not something you do after coming exhausted home from work either. After those 150 hours you'll…
Its it stupid at all. I taught myself Triginometry from a book for fun . Sure, not everyone's idea of a good time but I don't see the need to take a University or College course for lots of money when in fact I only spent about AU$34.95 on a good book and I didn't need to feel rushed in getting to grips with the concepts. I learn different things at different speeds, a course makes me go at a speed I don't enjoy. Thi…
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#139Learning advanced mathematics without going to university would take an extreme amount of dedication, focus, and effort, but it's certainly possible. It's much easier with the resources available on the internet, and being able to connect with people through forums and stack exchange. John Baez's recommendations: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/books.html For theoretical physics 't Hooft's recommendations: http://www.s…
I don't care if I need 2 lifetimes to learn advanced mathematics. I might not even scratch it. It's the journey that counts to me - if I can learn one new tool, one new perspective of looking at problems and the world, I'm a very happy man.
The only person who loses out is my poor wife who must listen to my excitement and then has to go lie down for a bit because it's too much to digest.
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#140> How to Learn Advanced Mathematics Without Heading to University I wonder if it's even possible. Learning maths requires much work, time and dedication. Doing so alone must be very difficult. There are several things universities provide that are hard to replicate alone: a degree, which gives you access to a job, motivation, learning environment, and "peace of mind". What I mean by peace of mind is that, when you're…
The main problem of contemporary mathematics is that it is unbelievably obfuscated to most people, unnecessarily so. So even if you a have super-simple thing, mathematicians invented ways how to completely obfuscate meaning (often unfortunately in order to achieve prestige and being considered elite as a form of intellectual pride). Imagine Dirichlet's box principle, a thing that a 5-year old should understand; now l…
Also, yes, introducing the simplest version of a concept using examples before the most general version is a good thing. This is a recommendation commonly made in mathematics exposition. For instance Arnold, a Russian mathematician known for insistence on examples, introduces groups as a bunch of permutations closed under composition, and a manifold as smooth subset of R^n.
There are situations when the abstract definition itself has value, even for expository purposes. For instance, the abstract notion of a group or manifold or vector space helps one to understand which constructions are manifestly invariant under different coordinates. Linear algebra is all about understanding this point.
The same point appears in programming when the value of an abstract interface, which can be introduced by an concrete example, lies in the generality with which it deals with different examples. See Functor(Mappable), Monad, or Foldable in Haskell. A more common example is the Iterable interface which can be illustrated via a list, but the value lies in the fact that interface applies to many data structures.
Two more points - sometimes a concept is unsatisfactory because mathematicians haven't achieved a good understanding yet. It's just that the given concept is what was needed to solve some previous problem. Often future concepts, (which one learns later in one's education or newly discovered in research) clarify older unsatisfactory concepts.
Also, the aha insight that one gets that a seemingly abstruse concept becomes clear is often dependent on past work which has helped one to internalize some details. After the insight, just a couple of words can stand for long statements. For instance, the word 'manifold' stands for what would be a complicated notion for 19th century geometers, or a more simple example, 'local isomorphism' stands for a statement like inverse function theorem. But if one goes to a new student and repeats the insight, they may not get it as a certain amount of background work needs to be done.