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Re: Ask HN: Working in Sweden?

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Native Swede here. Stockholm is quite dynamic in terms of its start up culture. There are a number of ways to network within the industry, most prevalent way to do so is Sthlm Tech Meetup. Salaries are relatively low for engineering jobs (compared to ex Germany), but should be ok in the software space. Ok in this case would be ~4000-4500k€/month for a relatively experienced software engineer. Do note that tax levels…

I am curious. Sweden is a very practical and policy driven place, is the local government addressing those housing issues in some form? I know this has been an issue for some time now. I'd be interested to hear what the local discourse is on that.

The housing shortage situation is same as that of the Bay Area if you switch loose VC capital inflating prices to loose, close to zero interest rate mortgages.

As for discourse, there is none. Absolutely nothing.

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Native Swede here. Stockholm is quite dynamic in terms of its start up culture. There are a number of ways to network within the industry, most prevalent way to do so is Sthlm Tech Meetup. Salaries are relatively low for engineering jobs (compared to ex Germany), but should be ok in the software space. Ok in this case would be ~4000-4500k€/month for a relatively experienced software engineer. Do note that tax levels…

I am curious. Sweden is a very practical and policy driven place, is the local government addressing those housing issues in some form? I know this has been an issue for some time now. I'd be interested to hear what the local discourse is on that.

No, they're completely sweeping them under the rug and are determined to worsen them even more by importing as many economical "refugees" as possible. The country is doomed.

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Native Swede here. Stockholm is quite dynamic in terms of its start up culture. There are a number of ways to network within the industry, most prevalent way to do so is Sthlm Tech Meetup. Salaries are relatively low for engineering jobs (compared to ex Germany), but should be ok in the software space. Ok in this case would be ~4000-4500k€/month for a relatively experienced software engineer. Do note that tax levels…

I am curious. Sweden is a very practical and policy driven place, is the local government addressing those housing issues in some form? I know this has been an issue for some time now. I'd be interested to hear what the local discourse is on that.

To some extent, but personally I think it has just gone to far in the current direction that it doesn't really matter what you do.

When people think of Sweden as a "practical and policy driven place" it's a legacy of a couple of decades ago when the social democrats, for better or worse, were dominant in Swedish politics. Not necessarily because everything they did was good, but because they could trade reforms tit for tat with other parties so things got done. Today we have a situation more like in the US where there's two coalitions. With this political situation there isn't much that can be done without risking losing votes and giving the other coalition free reign to do whatever they want. So nothing gets done.

Of course like in other cities everyone has their pet theory of what to do, but I have yet to see one that is currently practical and politically viable.

There is one slight upside though. Stockholm isn't necessarily that different from an international perspective. You can still get short term contracts at international rates or better, especially with a commute of 15-30 minutes. It's mostly a relative issue based on culture, size and how things used to be.

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Native Swede here. Stockholm is quite dynamic in terms of its start up culture. There are a number of ways to network within the industry, most prevalent way to do so is Sthlm Tech Meetup. Salaries are relatively low for engineering jobs (compared to ex Germany), but should be ok in the software space. Ok in this case would be ~4000-4500k€/month for a relatively experienced software engineer. Do note that tax levels…

"Do note that tax levels are rather high once you reach higher levels of income (50%-55% marginal tax rate)"

Also note that this is a potentially good time of year for someone to start working in Sweden. Since the tax rate is progressive and calculated on a yearly basis if you start working mid year you will this year pay the same rate as someone earning half your salary. At least in theory.

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I spent nearly a year as a contractor (for Ericsson) in Stockholm. I found it difficult to rent a flat, and I got the impression that this was fairly common. Be prepared to hunt through adverts, and respond as soon as you can after its published. If you leave it much more than a day, you'll probably get ignored. My Swedish colleagues told me that even if there's a phone number on the advert, don't ring it, email inst…

I don't think "fika" should be capitalised, although I see why you did it.

Anyone here knows if it should or not in a situation like this?

Re: Ask HN: Working in Sweden?

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Stockholm native working as a dev for 5+ years here. I'll just add the only two things I see missing from previous posts: You won't make any friends among the natives. We'll have a beer with you after work but don't expect anything serious. None of my friends have foreign friends. Can't really say why this happens though. We are pretty reserved. Nightlife is not snobbish as somebody else said. There is the whole rang…

> You won't make any friends among the natives. We'll have a beer with you after work but don't expect anything serious. None of my friends have foreign friends. Can't really say why this happens though. We are pretty reserved.

I think I want to chime in here that this makes it sound like some form of xenophobia. I suppose this -is- prelevant in Sweden (especially for the last few years with the rise of Sverigedemokraterna), but I would also assume that in this scenario, it has more to do with the fact that working people are in their mid 20s and up and their social circles are quite knit together already. Combining this with the reserved nature of Swedes (as you say) is not the best combination for getting "new friends" more than (as you say, again) beers after work.

For some perspective though, I am Swedish but I work abroad. Even when there have been other Swedes working here, the same would apply to them. I'll have a beer with them, but other than that, unless something clicks, it is merely a colleague.

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I spent nearly a year as a contractor (for Ericsson) in Stockholm. I found it difficult to rent a flat, and I got the impression that this was fairly common. Be prepared to hunt through adverts, and respond as soon as you can after its published. If you leave it much more than a day, you'll probably get ignored. My Swedish colleagues told me that even if there's a phone number on the advert, don't ring it, email inst…

I don't think "fika" should be capitalised, although I see why you did it. Anyone here knows if it should or not in a situation like this?

It should not be capitalized.

Re: Ask HN: Working in Sweden?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious. Sweden is a very practical and policy driven place, is the local government addressing those housing issues in some form? I know this has been an issue for some time now. I'd be interested to hear what the local discourse is on that.

No, they're completely sweeping them under the rug and are determined to worsen them even more by importing as many economical "refugees" as possible. The country is doomed.

Why is this downvoted?

There is a predicted shortage of up to 1,000,000 residences In a market of 4,500,000 or so, and a population of 10 million, recent refugees not included (yet).

The last 'fix' to the problem in 1960-1970 was building brutalist suburbs that turned into high-crime areas, and eventually into 'no-go' zones, fuelled by the virtually unlimited immigration. This is now not limited to the (three) larger cities as there are about 150 areas around the country where gang (mostly immigrant or descendant) criminality is a significant problem.

In some areas, like Södertälje and Alby- clan structures are starting to corrupt parts of the local government, giving political power to family heads while welfare systems are abused with the help of relatives working in the social services.

Grenades are thrown into apartments in gang wars, recently killing an 8 year old boy visiting from UK, and just yesterday one grenade exploded on someone's balcony just because he happened to live next to a gang member.

Meanwhile, nicer neighbourhoods have some of the highest prices in the world, except Monaco and other outliers. 1000000 USD is not much for a house in my area which is close to Stockholm but not special in any way and is within shooting range from one of those no-go zones.

This is fuelled by unlimited length mortgages with the extreme rate of around 1-2%.

The previously strong industrial economy is crumbling slowly.The largest companies listed at the Stockholm stock exchange are banks, not industrial export as for 15 years ago.

High tech jobs, like software development, are moved to neighbour countries like Estonua or Lithuania were the salary is 50%. Lower skilled jobs like call centres and backoffice jobs are going there too at a higher rate.

Is the government concerned? There are plans for an extra employment tax on banks, which will only make offshoring more attractive.

The unemployment rate is going down right now, but because there are 100,000 less young adults entering the job market than 5 years ago, unfortunately not because there are more jobs.

Meanwhile, the majority of the 1,000,000 immigrants (from the last few years) that could fill the vacancies will never find a job when they eventually enter the job market as many have almost no education, and are not skilled nearly enough for one of the most demanding job market in the world.

There are no plans whatsoever to address any of these problems as far as i can tell, except the emergency stop in the refugee policy, much too late.

Even discussing a few of them is considered racist, and instead both the government and media is doing a fair deal of spinning, like highlighting the 100 or so doctors and dentists from Syria that might get a certification within 10 years, which is as close to irrelevant to the problems as anything can be.

The central bank is balancing and trying to help the exports and the slow industry without blowing up the house market even more. The head of the central bank, Ingves, looks more and more like an angry gnome trying to highligh the risks, but no one listens.

So the downvoter is either a Swedish hipster in denial, or a troll.

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No, they're completely sweeping them under the rug and are determined to worsen them even more by importing as many economical "refugees" as possible. The country is doomed.

Why is this downvoted? There is a predicted shortage of up to 1,000,000 residences In a market of 4,500,000 or so, and a population of 10 million, recent refugees not included (yet). The last 'fix' to the problem in 1960-1970 was building brutalist suburbs that turned into high-crime areas, and eventually into 'no-go' zones, fuelled by the virtually unlimited immigration. This is now not limited to the (three) larger…

Can you point me to some readings about the suburbs crime situation?

Re: Ask HN: Working in Sweden?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious. Sweden is a very practical and policy driven place, is the local government addressing those housing issues in some form? I know this has been an issue for some time now. I'd be interested to hear what the local discourse is on that.

To some extent, but personally I think it has just gone to far in the current direction that it doesn't really matter what you do. When people think of Sweden as a "practical and policy driven place" it's a legacy of a couple of decades ago when the social democrats, for better or worse, were dominant in Swedish politics. Not necessarily because everything they did was good, but because they could trade reforms tit f…

Thanks. So this "housing issue" is really just about central Stockholm then is that correct? 15 to 30 is not much of burden in terms of commuting times.
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