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You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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In Hungary, it is standard to include a photo on the CV, so I do that. Recruiter friends told me how they consider non-photo applications secondary to ones with photos, and how a human face helps building a connection right from the start. So my only reason for including my age on the CV is because I look like I'm 24, whereas I'm pushing 31.

Not just Hungary, most of Europe outside of the UK seems to do this. I remember finding it a bit odd the first time I had to sift through developer CVs and most of them had photos.

What's the story in Asia? I only know about Thailand where a photo, age, sex and religion(!) are standard on CVs. Most advertised jobs state requirement for male or female of a certain age.

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post #167

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In Hungary, it is standard to include a photo on the CV, so I do that. Recruiter friends told me how they consider non-photo applications secondary to ones with photos, and how a human face helps building a connection right from the start. So my only reason for including my age on the CV is because I look like I'm 24, whereas I'm pushing 31.

Not just Hungary, most of Europe outside of the UK seems to do this. I remember finding it a bit odd the first time I had to sift through developer CVs and most of them had photos.

That is because many European country's are still a bit un reconstructed when it comes to issues around race.

Photos make it easier to hire people like us :-(

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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It's also customary in Germany, although I've never had a problem getting a job and I've never attached a photo to my resume.

Not really anymore, the latest version of the DIN norm on CVs has no photo or birthdate anymore, and in some states, it’s being discussed to ban it even.

Is there a a norm on CVs? The only remotely relevant I know of is DIN 5008 which concerns letters but doesn't contain anything regarding CVs.

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Tech fields have an inherent disuse for seniority. Beyond five years, no one gives an f how long you have worked with a given toolchain/language. It's the hunger games. Medicine, finance, law, accounting...rightly or wrongly respect decades of experience. Tech is Logan's Run. Plan accordingly.

And this is why software today is in such a sad state. Managers think it would be great to have an army of young engineers who don't question and just do what they're told. But any leader surrounded by sycophants will eventually fail. Management often doesn't realize that they really need the senior engineer who has the experience and confidence to say "NO". Because that engineer is the one who will prevent the proje…

its possible to be experienced and not say no you know? the opposite is also true... the trick really is not saying yes or no, but understanding what your boss really wants, and offering a realistic way forward to achieve that.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with it. But people with families, kids that need help with homework, etc won't be able to do that often if ever. Being young very often also means having fewer commitments.

If you can't play video games with your friend/coworkers from times to times, then your life suck, kids or not.

Or you have different interests. Perhaps you don't expect to be friends with coworkers - so long as folks get along well at the office, that's enough. Perhaps you would rather have the compartmentalism. Perhaps you'd rather play at home while not wearing pants. Perhaps you'd rather spend time with a loved one, your children, and the couple of friends that you've had for years.

Perhaps you are an introvert and really need the downtime. Perhaps you are an artist and enjoy that instead. Maybe you play an instrument and get an hour of practice most days. Maybe you like theater or a good dinner in lue of a few hours of video games.

Not playing games after work isn't an indicator of someone's life sucking. It just means they have different interests or priorities in life that don't match up to spending a few hours at work playing games.

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I'm thankful to work in for the federal govt. where mid 30s to 60s is the age range. Also, the pay for fed govt work is comparably to what engineers in Silicon Valley make, but the cost of living is way lower in this Mid-Atlantic city/area. Though if your single and like to mingle with co-workers and make friends your not going to find that working for the fed; most are married and or recently arrived in the US.

It's good that you're satisfied, but saying that the federal government is comparable to what engineers make in Silicon Valley tells me you don't actually know what engineers make in Silicon Valley.

hmmm here are some salaries for senior level engineers in San Fran ... They have a wide range...

http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Senior-Ui-Ux-Designer-l-San-F...

Can you make similar in the fed on the low level... Sure(though I don't make that myself) based on your negotiation skills. The higher salaries Seen you can if your a Java developer vs a web developer.

Also if your on a long term hourly contract no benefits as a web dev for the fed and with today's climate/demand you definitely can make just about anything in that range.

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post #155

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Not all development involves GUIs. Well, let’s go even further and say most development is not GUI-related. Business logic and algorithms is what it’s all about.

Most algorithms are reusable, while most GUI code is not. Hence, most actual programming is happening on GUIs.

Hm, depends on the business, I guess. Because from my experience, most business algorithms are proprietary and don’t have proper specifications. You can’t just use them somewhere else. You have to recreate them from scratch.

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And this is why software today is in such a sad state. Managers think it would be great to have an army of young engineers who don't question and just do what they're told. But any leader surrounded by sycophants will eventually fail. Management often doesn't realize that they really need the senior engineer who has the experience and confidence to say "NO". Because that engineer is the one who will prevent the proje…

its possible to be experienced and not say no you know? the opposite is also true... the trick really is not saying yes or no, but understanding what your boss really wants, and offering a realistic way forward to achieve that.

You! - you are my master!! (bows to you)

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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I am sorry, but what is wrong with having video games in the office? At both my previous companies I played games time to time, with co-workers. 15 mins of playing Fifa with a co-worker end s up both relaxing, and productive as you both bond and hash out things, and often much better than boring meeting. I am 35 btw. Also, our CEO regularly played as well. I have been at an office/environment (Amazon), with cubicles,…

No idea. In fact, having some complicated games to learn and compete at is likely a good thing if you have a team of gamers and give your brain a mental break from work while still having something interesting to chew on. Think high level play in fighting games/MOBAs, number crunching in MMOs, FPS map strategies, car simulation builds, sports strategies and teams, etc. Even if you don't want to think about that stuff…

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