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You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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I'm a grey beard who applied to a company specifically advertising for young developers. Got the job without mentioning my vintage. That was six years ago and they still haven't seen my face. I waited a while to gently break the news to them. If you're a technological senior citizen remote work is your friend.

how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange to me.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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I don't see many old sysadmins in companies I've worked in. Even fewer older developers, I have a slight worry that this career path has an affinity for youth- which I won't have for much longer. So this is disheartening to read.

If the Bureau of Labor stats are to be believed, the software industry workforce has doubled every fives years. Assuming new entrants to the field are younger, industry growth is the probably largest factor in the age distribution of programmers. As a 52 year old who's starting a new job search this week, I'm crossing my fingers on that logic.

Another factor is that as time goes on, some people exit coding and go into management. The older the cohort you're looking at, the more pronounced the effect becomes since more people have had the chance to churn.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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Recently I got an email about a job that seemed interesting. It's a well known company that used to be a startup but is now a mature company. I went to the job description page: 8+ years experience, tech stack I'm familiar with, mostly backend work, seems ok so far. Then I get to the last line. Open office, has video games, happy hours, other typical things designed to attract those in their 20s. It's all a hidden me…

I am sorry, but what is wrong with having video games in the office? At both my previous companies I played games time to time, with co-workers. 15 mins of playing Fifa with a co-worker end s up both relaxing, and productive as you both bond and hash out things, and often much better than boring meeting.

I am 35 btw. Also, our CEO regularly played as well.

I have been at an office/environment (Amazon), with cubicles, or offices, people coming in, going home at 5:30pm, no social time, nothing interesting. I thought that was awful, and I would never work in a place that doesn't understand that creativity requires some play time as well.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech fields have an inherent disuse for seniority. Beyond five years, no one gives an f how long you have worked with a given toolchain/language. It's the hunger games. Medicine, finance, law, accounting...rightly or wrongly respect decades of experience. Tech is Logan's Run. Plan accordingly.

Knowing a language or toolchain isn't all you need to be a good developer. Knowledge of how to build maintainable, secure, reliable, scalable and usable systems is something that you get with years of experience (and frequently comes from making mistakes).

And most employers don't care about those stated value adds. It is what it is.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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I don't see many old sysadmins in companies I've worked in. Even fewer older developers, I have a slight worry that this career path has an affinity for youth- which I won't have for much longer. So this is disheartening to read.

People working in tech also tend to retire early or start doing their own thing due to their salary.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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post #10

Recently I got an email about a job that seemed interesting. It's a well known company that used to be a startup but is now a mature company. I went to the job description page: 8+ years experience, tech stack I'm familiar with, mostly backend work, seems ok so far. Then I get to the last line. Open office, has video games, happy hours, other typical things designed to attract those in their 20s. It's all a hidden me…

o/ 29 year old here, 20 years coding, 13 years of people paying me to code. We exist. I sure hope companies don't have that as a base expectation, though.

That you exist isn't the problem. The problem is discrimination based on age.

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I'm a grey beard who applied to a company specifically advertising for young developers. Got the job without mentioning my vintage. That was six years ago and they still haven't seen my face. I waited a while to gently break the news to them. If you're a technological senior citizen remote work is your friend.

how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange to me.

> Do you keep that out of your CV?

My understanding is that it is not only possible not to mention your age in your CV, but even illegal for companies to ask you what your age is as part of the application process.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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post #8

I'm a grey beard who applied to a company specifically advertising for young developers. Got the job without mentioning my vintage. That was six years ago and they still haven't seen my face. I waited a while to gently break the news to them. If you're a technological senior citizen remote work is your friend.

how do you work for someone without them knowing your age? Do you keep that out of your CV? How about credentials and signing your contact? Seems very strange to me.

I amputated my birth year, education and about 20 years of experience from my CV. Health insurance paperwork went directly to the broker. This is an outfit that hires by test and interview and cares not about aught else. Turns out they're not that rare.

Re: You’re How Old? We’ll Be in Touch

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Recently I got an email about a job that seemed interesting. It's a well known company that used to be a startup but is now a mature company. I went to the job description page: 8+ years experience, tech stack I'm familiar with, mostly backend work, seems ok so far. Then I get to the last line. Open office, has video games, happy hours, other typical things designed to attract those in their 20s. It's all a hidden me…

You're probably seeing a hidden message where there isn't one. The culture/benefits sections of most job descriptions are generic and that generic portion of the hiring message is tailored to the majority of hires the company is likely to attract via job postings. For most tech companies that is going to be candidates directly or recently our of university, and the majority of that majority does perceive/expect many of these types of office perks as hallmarks of a successful tech company. The message isn't intended to exclude you or me. The message is intended to hook the easily hookable.
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